> Ladybird now targets Linux and macOS. The SerenityOS target is dropped.
What does this mean, that Ladybird will no longer run on Serenity OS? And that is up to the Serenity peeps to make it run should they wish to do so?
Ladybird browser spreads its wings
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#12I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
I feel the same way. Excited to see another attempt. But it's a c++ engine so not something I would want to expose to the internet really.
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#13I'm very happy that projects like this exist, and hope that they succeed in their mission.
With the current state of the web, filled with mostly spam content designed to generate ad revenue and to exploit the user, accessed from mainstream browsers produced by large corporations that are increasingly trying to do the same thing, web users are being squeezed from all sides. Using the web today is a hostile experience, and the only safe haven from all this nonsense is using community-supported alternative browsers, that are really stripped down versions of mainstream ones, and relying heavily on ad, cookie, JavaScript and other blockers, which may stop working at any point. This is a difficult task only tech savvy users can realistically do, while most other users have no choice.
A new, independent, browser alone will not solve this, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
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#14I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don’t know to what extent Ladybird can replace Chrome, but the issues that come with a monoculture are known. There’s probably at least some hope that Ladybird could take off once it reaches a critical mass.
To play devils advocate, Firefox breaks the monoculture, and arguably (Mobile) Safari too. If neither of these is big enough, will Ladybird be? I can’t imagine it getting bigger than them.
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#15For a newbie like me who isn’t like a software eng wizard but is willing to put an hour or two every day, is a project like this a great way for me to learn and contribute? Or is it still so pre-alpha that you need deep domain knowledge to contribute and have an impact?
I remember encountering this blog series of Chrome architecture articles[0] and telling myself I need to read through it (and, to date, still never have :)
Maybe it is of interest. (Just a heads up, it dates back to 2018.)
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#16I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don’t know to what extent Ladybird can replace Chrome, but the issues that come with a monoculture are known. There’s probably at least some hope that Ladybird could take off once it reaches a critical mass.
So it’s a fun project where people are learning a lot by working on it as a hobby project. But I shouldn’t expect it to threaten Firefox, let alone Chrome, any time soon, although that’s the dream. Is that a fair summary?
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#17I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
The question for a value proposition seems to be out of place to me.
It's not a business. Some people develop a browser for their own joy and now they decided to target Linux and use 3rd party libraries.
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#18I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
Having looked at the source code… it’s not close. Not even 1/20 of the way there IMO. But it might not need to be. It’s nice just having a second system. I don’t know to what extent Ladybird can replace Chrome, but the issues that come with a monoculture are known. There’s probably at least some hope that Ladybird could take off once it reaches a critical mass.
It will never reach critical mass.
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#19Why build another browser, from scratch, in C++?
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#20I hear so much about Ladybird on HN, that I’m equally excited and cynical. What is the value proposition? Is it to be another general purpose browser, so there’s more competition with Chrome / WebKit? Or to be a niche browser, that could be an alternative to Electron? How close is it to achieving that?
The question for a value proposition seems to be out of place to me. It's not a business. Some people develop a browser for their own joy and now they decided to target Linux and use 3rd party libraries.
So the main value is to the people who get pleasure from working on it? I don’t mean it in a pejorative way, I love the idea.