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Notes on Tajikistan

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Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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Actually it doesn't call for that

What does 'it' refer to here? Which islamic school and what branch of that school? Some do call for violence, others don't.

You didn't seem to be concerned about school and branches when you made your blanket assertion above.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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> short bombing campaign

> It is one of the best examples of foreign interference

During my visit to Syria, Iraq and Libya, I noticed something common between the people of these countries - when I told them I was from the US, they all said: "Thank you for your bombing campaigns, we are liberated now!"

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

#153
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"re-annexed" Wrong word. "In Nystad, King Frederick I of Sweden formally recognized the transfer of Estonia, Livonia, Ingria, and Southeast Finland (Kexholms län and part of Karelian Isthmus) to Russia in exchange for two million silver thaler, while Russia returned the bulk of Finland to Swedish rule." [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nystad

The treaty of Nystad from 1721 is obsolete and has been superseded by other treaties. Estonia[1], Latvia[2] and Lithuania[3] fought successful wars of independence against Russia in 1918-1919 and made peace treaties in which Russians recognized sovereignity and withdrew territorial claims. (These treaties were later violated when Russians entered a secret pact with Hitler and they jointly invaded everyone in Europe b…

> Hitler and they jointly invaded everyone in Europe between Germany and Russia

Wow, I didn't knew Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are located between Germany and Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Map_used...

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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The scripture, as such, does not. Interpretations of it may.

Is there anything else besides interpretation of scripture? If so, what? I gave a few examples in this thread of passages which can be interpreted - and in some cases are actually hard not to interpret - as calls to violence in the name of islam. What is your basis for claiming these are not actually such? Again, denying the problem exists does not make it go away and actually makes it harder for those who wish to re…

Without doubt, you believe that your interpretation is correct and should be used as a reference, unlike interpretations of all those stupid people.

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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The treaty of Nystad from 1721 is obsolete and has been superseded by other treaties. Estonia[1], Latvia[2] and Lithuania[3] fought successful wars of independence against Russia in 1918-1919 and made peace treaties in which Russians recognized sovereignity and withdrew territorial claims. (These treaties were later violated when Russians entered a secret pact with Hitler and they jointly invaded everyone in Europe b…

> Hitler and they jointly invaded everyone in Europe between Germany and Russia Wow, I didn't knew Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are located between Germany and Russia. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Map_used...

Here's a helpful map visualizing how Russia and Germany divided Eastern Europe in the secret protocol[1] to the Hitler-Stalin pact: https://i.imgur.com/DvCrPWB.jpeg

As to the "Judenfrei" status, that's a great deal due to the executions and mass deportations[2] that Russians unleashed after invading in 1940. First they banned all Jewish organizations, even fraternities and tennis clubs. Then they started targeting the professional class (politicians, doctors, lawyers, etc) to wipe out people capable of running the country and challenge the Russian rule. Their crime was officially designated as "being socially undesirable". Jews were overrepresented among the victims by a factor of 10. By the time Germans arrived in 1941, only 900 Jews were left in Estonia, as depicted on your map. Some had been deported, others ran away wherever they could. The last 900 remained because they believed that Germans couldn't be worse than the Russian terror of 1940-1941.

When Russians invaded again in 1944 and began their 50-year occupation of the country (which included another wave of terror and mass deportations[3]), they replaced German antisemitic policies with their own and continued suppressing Jewish culture until the very end of the USSR. The Jewish school in Tallinn, for example, opened in 1924, was closed by Germans in 1941, and only in 1990, as the USSR entered the final death spiral, got its confiscated real estate back and resumed teaching. So if you intended to be clever and play the Jewish card, you chose a very wrong place to do it. Germans had the holocaust in store for them, and for Russians they were exploiters of the working class, destined for Siberian labor camps.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_deportation

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Priboi

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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No it doesn't. I'm Muslim. Like most monotheistic religions, it actually says that most people will become irreligious before the end of time

Your school and branch of islam don't, that does not mean all schools and branches don't. Most churches don't claim "God hates fags" and "Thank God for dead soldiers" but the Westboro baptist church does.

Islam isn't really like that. There are only 4 schools (not 1000 different churches) and they mostly disagree about minor things.

There's pretty broad consensus about the fact that the end times will be preceded by a huge drop in religiosity and rise in sinfulness. Here's just one example: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/78329/signs-of-the-day-of-ju...

And here's the source it's from: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:80

It's pretty cut and dry

Feel free to look up signs of judgment day, it's pretty heavily agreed upon

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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> open political system actually makes islam opposition stronger (and easy to influence with $$$ from Gulf monarchies). No it doesn't. Provide one example where this has happened?

Russia. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Khattab

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Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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> open political system actually makes islam opposition stronger (and easy to influence with $$$ from Gulf monarchies). No it doesn't. Provide one example where this has happened?

i lived there, gulf monarchies are financing construction of mosques all over the *stans, and are sending people to "study islam" in ... Pakistan and Bangladesh, where they are radicalized and brainwashed. various conflicts in Causasus in russia - where caucasians were bankrolled and brainwashed via gulf money (dagestan and chechnya)

Are you replying to the wrong comment? I asked for one example where an open political system led to radical Islamists cementing power

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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You keep referring to the outliers in these citations rather than referring to the ones that clearly make the point. You have done this twice already in this chain, so I do not think any number of citations will satisfy you, since you will just ignore the ones that you do not agree with.

> I do not think any number of citations will satisfy you Ahhhh, anti-China narrative is not working! China is evil, my western propaganda won't lie!

This is hyperbole and not reflective of what I was saying or what the citations lay out as facts. Can you attack the argument instead of putting words into my mouth?

Re: Notes on Tajikistan

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On the flip side, religions are incompatible with liberalism so there's constant tension.

The bedrock of liberalism is religious freedom

> the bedrock of liberalism is religious freedom

Individualism, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, private property and equality before the law are the bedrocks of liberalism [1]. Religious freedom is closer to a corollary, though hard secular liberal republics (e.g. much of recent French history) have also existed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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