Lack of vite/webpack/... FE integration is a huge breaker.
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#13No mention of Views? The one thing I'd love to understand and is missing vs. Rails/Laraval is an integrated solution of solving the View part of MVC I think?
Looks like a really beautiful framework.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's in the docs, just not on the main landing page so feels a little more secondary. TLDR they recommend you use Edge/Pug/Nunjucks, htmx, vite for css bundling. Nice!
https://docs.adonisjs.com/guides/views-and-templates/introdu...
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#14Anyone else see these types of announcement posts, and it's like they already have thousands of users? Where do y'all learn about these projects so early?
This is getting popular due to the recent 'Laravel vs JS Frameworks' controversy.
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#15Nah, if you want heavy backend, go with Go/Ktor/C#, not node. If you want light backend, use sth like Hono or H3. If you want to primarily produce html, use Remix or Next.
Adonis/Redwood/Nest is something you will regret in few years because it will lock you down to "their" ways of doing things instead of something with replaceable components.
Admitted, Adonis looks most sensible out of these 3. Redwood is poisoned with needless GraphQL and Nest is written like 2008 java. In Adonis you can at least pick the db layer.
But even Adonis locks you to their validator instead of Zod or his cousins, they use their own Request/Response classes instead of the platform ones, has yucky inheritance and annotations magic etc.
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#16Nah, if you want heavy backend, go with Go/Ktor/C#, not node. If you want light backend, use sth like Hono or H3. If you want to primarily produce html, use Remix or Next. Adonis/Redwood/Nest is something you will regret in few years because it will lock you down to "their" ways of doing things instead of something with replaceable components. Admitted, Adonis looks most sensible out of these 3. Redwood is poisoned w…
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#17Lack of vite/webpack/... FE integration is a huge breaker.
How? It claims to support InertiaJS.
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#18Has anyone tried both AdonisJS and RedwoodJS and can compare the two? Adonis and Redwood are both trying to be the JavaScript version of Rails/Laravel - a traditional active-record based MVC rapid development server application framework. The last time I looked for one of these (2018) they were immature and now at least in terms of website and documentation they both appear very capable. But if there’s one thing that…
I looked at AdonisJS, but it has soo many things missing that I'd rather just go with Laravel or Rails. Both of those have been around for so long and have an amazing ecosystem (especially Laravel) and are battle tested.
I've also just lost my trust in JS for any serious long term projects. Things work at first and then a year later all the underlying dependencies have changed and stuff stops working.
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#19Nah, if you want heavy backend, go with Go/Ktor/C#, not node. If you want light backend, use sth like Hono or H3. If you want to primarily produce html, use Remix or Next. Adonis/Redwood/Nest is something you will regret in few years because it will lock you down to "their" ways of doing things instead of something with replaceable components. Admitted, Adonis looks most sensible out of these 3. Redwood is poisoned w…
Locking things in is not an issue if things are well built and well maintained. Having used Laravel, I'm amazed at their DX. First party libs all built by the same team, tools also built by the same team. Everything is congruent and just flows.
Compare that to the wild west that is Javascript land. Multiple libraries that all do the same thing in different ways. Stuff being deprecated or completely changed.
Sure, if you want "choice", there's plenty of stuff out there for that. You can cobble together your own framework or pick a light framework pick and then add your "batteries" to it. I hope AdonisJS only has 1 way of doing things and that those ways are good, then it will truly go a long way.