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Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#31

Post by sshine »

MrKai77 wrote: post #21
jasonrm wrote: post #17

Open-source, except for the "new framework used to make Loop's settings window", so don't expect to build from source. https://github.com/MrKai77/Loop/issues/406

As stated in the comment on GitHub, Luminare will only be accessible by sponsors. If you have financial restrictions or are not able to sponsor me, I am open to giving the you the source code. However, this is all in order to make Loop more profitable, as I have put all my free time into making it. I hope you understand :)

I don't think anyone disputes rewarding individuals for software they provide to their patrons. I hope you prosper!

But "open source to those who pay" is quite a stretch of the definition.

If you check Open Source Initiative's list of approved licenses, you won't find anything that fits this definition:

https://opensource.org/licenses

The closest I know to what you're describing is Business Source License (BSL):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Source_License

> The Business Source License (SPDX id BUSL) is a software license which publishes source code but limits the right to use the software to certain classes of users. The BUSL is not an open-source license, but it is source-available license that also mandates an eventual transition to an open-source license. This characteristic has been described as a compromise between traditional proprietary licenses and open source.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#32

Post by silvanocerza »

MrKai77 wrote: post #21
jasonrm wrote: post #17

Open-source, except for the "new framework used to make Loop's settings window", so don't expect to build from source. https://github.com/MrKai77/Loop/issues/406

As stated in the comment on GitHub, Luminare will only be accessible by sponsors. If you have financial restrictions or are not able to sponsor me, I am open to giving the you the source code. However, this is all in order to make Loop more profitable, as I have put all my free time into making it. I hope you understand :)

That's not Open Source then. And probably goes also against the GPLv3 license that you're using.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#33

Post by MrKai77 »

sshine wrote: post #31
MrKai77 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As stated in the comment on GitHub, Luminare will only be accessible by sponsors. If you have financial restrictions or are not able to sponsor me, I am open to giving the you the source code. However, this is all in order to make Loop more profitable, as I have put all my free time into making it. I hope you understand :)

I don't think anyone disputes rewarding individuals for software they provide to their patrons. I hope you prosper! But "open source to those who pay" is quite a stretch of the definition. If you check Open Source Initiative's list of approved licenses, you won't find anything that fits this definition: https://opensource.org/licenses The closest I know to what you're describing is Business Source License (BSL): http…

This did not occur to me, thanks for bringing this to my attention! I will definitely look into this! I guess Luminare may end up being fully open-sourced.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#34

Post by soraminazuki »

silvanocerza wrote: post #32
MrKai77 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As stated in the comment on GitHub, Luminare will only be accessible by sponsors. If you have financial restrictions or are not able to sponsor me, I am open to giving the you the source code. However, this is all in order to make Loop more profitable, as I have put all my free time into making it. I hope you understand :)

That's not Open Source then. And probably goes also against the GPLv3 license that you're using.

I don't think they're bound by the GPL if they're the sole copyright owner. Did they take outside contributions without a copyright assignment?

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#35

Post by eitland »

jeffhuys wrote: post #26
notpushkin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, when you press ⌘ Tab, you are switching between applications (and ⌘ ` switches between windows of the applications). Super weird IMO.

Super handy! I regularly work on multiple projects at once. Have 3 phpstorm windows open, but working on project A, I can just CMD+Tab because project A is focussed. I switch between browser, terminal, editor, etc. Then, when switching to project B, I do CMD+` once in every app, and I’m done. To me, this makes windows feel like a maze and macos feel natural.

This is a nice feature. There is nothing wrong with letting people switch between windows from the same application.

There is still no reason why you cannot have both CMD-Tab switching between any window and also an option to switch between windows from the same app?

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#36

Post by Intermernet »

soraminazuki wrote: post #34
silvanocerza wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not Open Source then. And probably goes also against the GPLv3 license that you're using.

I don't think they're bound by the GPL if they're the sole copyright owner. Did they take outside contributions without a copyright assignment?

If you release software under a license then that version of the software is bound by the license.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#37

Post by pegasus »

MrKai77 wrote: post #19
tiffanyh wrote: post #5

I always love indie apps and never want to discourage creators. Some unsolicited advice though … given macOS in a few month time will have Window Tiling natively built in - you might want to articulate how Loop is different/better. https://www.macrumors.com/2024/06/12/macos-sequoia-window-ti...

Actually, macOS Sequoia only has halves, maximize and quarters as resize options, and has very limited keyboard shortcuts. Some people will be happy with it, and some will need more. Loop is very flexible in terms of making custom window sizes, keybinds, cycles etc., and is perfect for those who need more!

Good to know. As someone with only mild interest in window managers, my first thought was that this will probably be obsoleted by the coming feature GP refers to. So GP is right, your explanation on the product page would be useful for at least some of us.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#38

Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

Intermernet wrote: post #36
soraminazuki wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they're bound by the GPL if they're the sole copyright owner. Did they take outside contributions without a copyright assignment?

If you release software under a license then that version of the software is bound by the license.

Unequivocally false. A sole copyright holder is not bound by license terms in the same way as parties to whom the work is being licensed.

Re: Loop: Open-source macOS window manager

#39

Post by zarzavat »

janci wrote: post #9
fizlebit wrote: post #8

Any chance of a window manager that lets you alt tab between windows instead of between applications. So Alt-tab-tab-tab takes you 3 windows ago, not 3 applications ago, or worse 1 application ago and 2 unrelated windows of that application? Man I really mis application menus being at the top of windows and being able to layer different windows from different applications in any order that I wish. VNC screen connecti…

Wait, what? Are all windows of an application positioned in the same layer on macOS?

No, all window of an application are not positioned on the same layer.

But when you tab into an application, all of its windows are brought to the front.

If you want to bring one specific window to the front you are supposed to use Exposé, but some power users don’t like this because it uses the mouse instead of the keyboard.

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