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Re: Take my money, HBO

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> Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? No, it's an argument . And it's got nothing to do with "watercooler discussions", people can talk without involving you, people can talk at the bar, people will talk, art is not just a personal experience it's also a social one and the social part is actually important — hell, there are a number of cases where it's fundamental. It's especially the case for TV series (wit…

So you want the experience without compensating the people who made the experience possible. It's entirely possible to compensate them if the experience is valuable to you. Not doing so is wrong. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

What if you download it and then buy it later.. what would you call that?

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Would you pay $225 a year? That's how much it costs a Briton. ("The annual cost of a colour TV licence is £145.50")

Does $225 include radio, or is that a separate license? And is a black and white teevee cheaper?

There's no licence fee for BBC radio.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Would you pay $225 a year? That's how much it costs a Briton. ("The annual cost of a colour TV licence is £145.50")

$18/month? If I got all content that was produced for the entire history of the BBC, and all future content, then yes. I'm tired of having to wait for new episodes of QI to show up on youtube. But keep in mind that content production is a fixed cost, so if you increase the number of subscribers you can lower the cost per subscriber.

You don't quite get everything-ever. Certain programs (including films) are made available online on iPlayer for a few weeks, but after that you usually have to wait for it to be repeated on TV (and usually again on iPlayer).

Re: Take my money, HBO

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I worked on several commercial digital music projects in the time span between early napster and entrenched itunes. One regularly repeated meme of the era was that people didn't want to pirate music, they just wanted it "as easy" or "no drm" or "ala carte" or "all you can eat". While statistically these were all guaranteed to be true for at least some users, in aggregate they were red herrings. The industry was in th…

I think people have an entitlement attitude about digital content (movies, music, software, games, etc) that doesn't exist for other tangible products. And I think this entitlement has come out of being able to get away with stealing the content easily. Many people can't afford/don't want to pay for a Rolls Royce, they aren't their target market, but they don't feel entitled to drive one. So they don't go out and ste…

"And I think this entitlement has come out of being able to get away with stealing the content easily"

Probably true. But it seems like it's shifting to some degree; A lot of normal people I know pay for Spotify, for example.

I also feel parts of the industry brought this upon them-self and are just reaping the fruits of their own decisions the last 12 (?) years.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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post #97

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"Nah, I'm not really into Pokemon." http://xkcd.com/178/ (Am I the only one who still doesn't give two fucks about four fucks about television shows?)

Yeah it was inevitable that this guy would show up in this thread: http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mention... .

My comment was more to point out that those same "I don't own a TV" people are now all obsessed with Mad Men and Game of Thrones (watched on their computers, mostly).

Re: Take my money, HBO

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> Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? No, it's an argument . And it's got nothing to do with "watercooler discussions", people can talk without involving you, people can talk at the bar, people will talk, art is not just a personal experience it's also a social one and the social part is actually important — hell, there are a number of cases where it's fundamental. It's especially the case for TV series (wit…

So you want the experience without compensating the people who made the experience possible. It's entirely possible to compensate them if the experience is valuable to you. Not doing so is wrong. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

> So you want the experience without compensating the people who made the experience possible.

No. But yet again you're intent on strawmanning your way to feeling good about yourself, so I'm just going to stop this worthless "interaction".

> Not doing so is wrong. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

Sure, and you're free to do so, but — again — this has no relation to "tak[ing] money from the pockets [of people]".

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Sure, why not, or waiting for ever and not watching it at all. Issues: the marketing blitz and news don't wait for a few months, and the various communities around the show don't wait either, "waiting for a few months" means ignoring the marketing blitz (easy), deftly skipping all news of the show to avoid spoilers (annoying), being completely split from any possible community built around the show (annoying, and oft…

OK, seriously? Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? That's a reason to take money from the pockets from the 1000s of people who worked months or years to make something you like? Really?

It's a rational. Remember, we're not looking for excuses, we're looking for reasons.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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I pay $30/month to watch Starcraft 2 tournaments on GomTV.net. I pay $0/month to watch Game of Thrones, Veep, Girls, and True Blood. I will continue to pay $0 until there is an option that does not involve enriching evil cable executives. Your move, HBO.

How can you possibly claim some sort of moral high ground when you're saying "I like the content you produce but don't agree with the methods you use to charge for it so I'm going to steal it!". If you don't agree with their distribution methods then DON'T CONSUME THAT CONTENT.

Nope! Why would I do that? What good comes of it? Moral high-ground? Fuck that, I'd prefer to watch the show.

I think this is what goes through most people's heads. When it's a choice between benefiting nobody and retaining moral high-ground and benefiting nobody and watching the show, they choose the latter, because they don't see any real rational reason not to.

Now, how about pirating the show, then buying the DVD when it comes out? Gets trickier, doesn't it...

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Economically speaking there is no difference between losing money and not making money, but socially there's a clear distinction. You're not automatically indebted to someone just because they built something you want. No value is lost when a digital good is duplicated. The only thing lost in this case is an opportunity. >The rationale that someone wouldn't buy it anyway doesn't hold when the argument is that they wa…

" No value is lost when a digital good is duplicated. The only thing lost in this case is an opportunity." I know this is a popular justification for piracy, but surely you can see that a lost opportunity is in fact lost value.

> a lost opportunity is in fact lost value.

I know this is a popular justification for curtailing liberties, but surely you can see that this makes no actual sense.

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