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Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by tjmc »

ROFISH wrote: post #138
tjmc wrote: post #64

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Interestingly GoT seasons 1 and 2 are available on iTunes in Australia. The latest episodes only take an extra week to show up from when they're first screened in the US. Even so, Australians apparently pirate the show in greater numbers than elsewhere. Could be because it's $3/episode or it's only standard def or it's a week late. My guess is people find it just as easy to torrent it so don't even bother to look at…

Can somebody confirm if GoT Season 2 is available in Australia iTunes? US will not get Season 2 until the disc release next year.

If you were really determined to buy it outside Aus I suppose you could buy an iTunes gift card from here and then login to iTunes via an Aussie proxy. Happens surprisingly often in the other direction.

You really would be paying the 'gold price' too as the $AUD is pretty strong due to the price of gold and other commodities mined here.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by kin »

dbbolton wrote: post #213
kin wrote: post #206

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But I would say the nature of this post is more along the lines of X is only available as A-Z at 10x$. If X were available as X for $, I would but it. There are 2 types of pirates out there. Some really feel they have the right to do so. Some do it knowing it is wrong but they have no other way to access the content and if there were a Paypal set to donate to support the show would do so. Not watching the show or wai…

Not watching the show is absolutely an option. Not one human being is obligated to watch any television show. I think what you mean is "these people really want to watch the show", and that's true. I know some people who really want to take oxycodone. The government won't let them buy it from a pharmacy legally, so I guess they should be justified in stealing it and then leave a donation for what they think is fair c…

Again, is waiting really the point we're discussing? We're not talking about piracy in general. We're talking about HBO and GoT here. Not watching the show within a week of air is not watching it at all. If you participate in this at all, you'd know what I'm talking about. Waiting is NOT an option. If you're going go to an extreme analogy, I will say to some this is equivalent to watching the Superbowl a week later.

HBO should get paid for its viewership but it is not. With the whole HBO being part of Time Warner thing, I can agree that this issue really isn't solvable in an ideal way.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by barrkel »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #203
masklinn wrote: post #201

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Sure, why not, or waiting for ever and not watching it at all. Issues: the marketing blitz and news don't wait for a few months, and the various communities around the show don't wait either, "waiting for a few months" means ignoring the marketing blitz (easy), deftly skipping all news of the show to avoid spoilers (annoying), being completely split from any possible community built around the show (annoying, and oft…

OK, seriously? Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? That's a reason to take money from the pockets from the 1000s of people who worked months or years to make something you like? Really?

One of the biggest reasons for art existing at all - before it was ever about money - is as a social object, something to be talked about.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by burke »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #216
algorias wrote: post #214

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Well it is definitely a reason why the alternative offered isn't a good one. lots of things people do have "silly" social reasons, so don't dismiss those factors out of hand. Also, "taking money from the pockets of others" is an incredibly biased way to frame the discussion, and doesn't help at all.

In what way is money not being taken from the pockets of others? The rationale that someone wouldn't buy it anyway doesn't hold when the argument is that they want it so much they can't wait for it.

"In what way is money not being taken from the pockets of others?"

In the way that they are taking money out of their own pockets by not catering to this sizeable crowd.

Intellectual Property does not fit neatly into our existing socio-economic framework. This is one of the areas where that really shows.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by roel_v »

sneak wrote: post #97
Steko wrote: post #63

I'd planned to buy Game of Thrones when it came out on iTunes a couple months ago but I realized that even that still indirectly supports the buzz around this property and the way it's primarily delivered. Instead I'd suggest fellow cord cutters just skip Game of Thrones entirely, don't pirate it, don't even watch it. Instead spend your money and leisure time supporting content that's provided online. When your frien…

"Nah, I'm not really into Pokemon." http://xkcd.com/178/ (Am I the only one who still doesn't give two fucks about four fucks about television shows?)

Yeah it was inevitable that this guy would show up in this thread: http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mention... .

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by masklinn »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #203
masklinn wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, why not, or waiting for ever and not watching it at all. Issues: the marketing blitz and news don't wait for a few months, and the various communities around the show don't wait either, "waiting for a few months" means ignoring the marketing blitz (easy), deftly skipping all news of the show to avoid spoilers (annoying), being completely split from any possible community built around the show (annoying, and oft…

OK, seriously? Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? That's a reason to take money from the pockets from the 1000s of people who worked months or years to make something you like? Really?

> Watercooler discussion is the rationale now?

No, it's an argument. And it's got nothing to do with "watercooler discussions", people can talk without involving you, people can talk at the bar, people will talk, art is not just a personal experience it's also a social one and the social part is actually important — hell, there are a number of cases where it's fundamental.

It's especially the case for TV series (with significant and/or cult followings) as they become shared/group cultural artefacts and values and a significant section of social interaction.

> That's a reason to take money from the pockets from the 1000s of people who worked months or years to make something you like?

No, but I should not be surprised by your mis-representation since you seem to have no interest in discussing this.

It's a reason why "waiting a few months" is not an acceptable alternative.

And by the way, pirating does not "take money from the pockets of [people]" any more than not watching at all does. That doesn't even remotely make sense.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by masklinn »

lwat wrote: post #38
MBlume wrote: post #14

It's not pirating if you download Game of Thrones -- it's paying The Iron Price

I'm willing to pay the Gold Price but I don't want to wait several months until they decide to air it in my local country.

> until they decide to air it in my local country.

Dubbed, too.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by waterlesscloud »

masklinn wrote: post #226
waterlesscloud wrote: post #203

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OK, seriously? Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? That's a reason to take money from the pockets from the 1000s of people who worked months or years to make something you like? Really?

> Watercooler discussion is the rationale now? No, it's an argument . And it's got nothing to do with "watercooler discussions", people can talk without involving you, people can talk at the bar, people will talk, art is not just a personal experience it's also a social one and the social part is actually important — hell, there are a number of cases where it's fundamental. It's especially the case for TV series (wit…

So you want the experience without compensating the people who made the experience possible.

It's entirely possible to compensate them if the experience is valuable to you. Not doing so is wrong. Sorry, but that's how I see it.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by algorias »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #216
algorias wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is definitely a reason why the alternative offered isn't a good one. lots of things people do have "silly" social reasons, so don't dismiss those factors out of hand. Also, "taking money from the pockets of others" is an incredibly biased way to frame the discussion, and doesn't help at all.

In what way is money not being taken from the pockets of others? The rationale that someone wouldn't buy it anyway doesn't hold when the argument is that they want it so much they can't wait for it.

Economically speaking there is no difference between losing money and not making money, but socially there's a clear distinction. You're not automatically indebted to someone just because they built something you want. No value is lost when a digital good is duplicated. The only thing lost in this case is an opportunity.

>The rationale that someone wouldn't buy it anyway doesn't hold when the argument is that they want it so much they can't wait for it.

The point is that customers wouldn't buy the show under the conditions it's currently offered to them anyway.

Re: Take my money, HBO

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Post by koide »

HBO (and others) should put a donation button, publicize it to pirates and report findings. If money starts pouring then we get a win/win, HBO needs not to invest in streaming technology / bandwidth / DRM / whatever and the pirates can compensate the producers/artists.

What would be done with the money should be specified upfront and held to high transparency levels and of course involve the artists.

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