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I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by anonzzzies »

cryptica wrote: post #7

The hacker doesn't understand what they're getting themselves into, especially bragging about it. The hard part about going up against an entire nation/state is that it's relentless. The state never gets tired and never runs out of money, they could setup a team of people to 'work' on that individual and also potentially his present and future family members for a very long time. They can keep replenishing their team…

Yep, it seems way too many people know who he is irl. I would be not sleep well for the coming decade at least.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Keirmot wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #2

Why isn’t he in prison? I mean, going by the West’s own laws, or the spirit of them, anyway. Unless he is part of said West’s Armed Forces, in which case this would get really close to a casus belli .

Because one of the 3 basic principles of sovereignty (as is understood by western political philosophy, known as Westphalian sovereignty) is that there is no other authority inside a State’s borders except its own. This means no other country has jurisdiction in North Korea, besides, there’s also no incentive to help in case DPRK asks for help. France doesn’t investigante crimes that happen in Spain, Portugal doesn’t…

> western political philosophy, known as Westphalian sovereignty) is that there is no other authority inside a State’s borders except its own

You’re citing centuries-old political philosophy, only remnants of which remain in our world [1].

The West that arose after WWII and through the Cold War is decidedly non-Westphalian. Concepts like human rights, non-proliferation and self determination are non-Westphalian. The Nuremberg trials were anti-Westphalian.

The closest modern analogues to (and proponents of) Westphalian philosophy are Russia, China and North Korea.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westphalian_system

Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by jauer »

paganel wrote: post #2

Why isn’t he in prison? I mean, going by the West’s own laws, or the spirit of them, anyway. Unless he is part of said West’s Armed Forces, in which case this would get really close to a casus belli .

"the West" has to keep some degree of not officially caring to avoid being backed into a policy corner and has no incentive to take law enforcement action when threat actors in those other countries operate with impunity.

We're already well into causus belli territory with NK, but nobody wants to go there: https://x.com/tarah/status/1798036415932187127

Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by klausa »

Keirmot wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #2

Why isn’t he in prison? I mean, going by the West’s own laws, or the spirit of them, anyway. Unless he is part of said West’s Armed Forces, in which case this would get really close to a casus belli .

Because one of the 3 basic principles of sovereignty (as is understood by western political philosophy, known as Westphalian sovereignty) is that there is no other authority inside a State’s borders except its own. This means no other country has jurisdiction in North Korea, besides, there’s also no incentive to help in case DPRK asks for help. France doesn’t investigante crimes that happen in Spain, Portugal doesn’t…

>France doesn’t investigante crimes that happen in Spain, Portugal doesn’t investigate crimes that haven in Canada, the USA doesn’t investigate crimes that happen in Germany, etc…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europol

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

Keirmot wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #2

Why isn’t he in prison? I mean, going by the West’s own laws, or the spirit of them, anyway. Unless he is part of said West’s Armed Forces, in which case this would get really close to a casus belli .

Because one of the 3 basic principles of sovereignty (as is understood by western political philosophy, known as Westphalian sovereignty) is that there is no other authority inside a State’s borders except its own. This means no other country has jurisdiction in North Korea, besides, there’s also no incentive to help in case DPRK asks for help. France doesn’t investigante crimes that happen in Spain, Portugal doesn’t…

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Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

verisimi wrote: post #10

Nothing about this ama/article suggests that NK is anything but a Potemkin country - a false baddie for others to hide behind. The NK idea is useful to agencies, in certain circumstances.

> Potemkin country

Maybe they’re another Russia, their tanks and artillery all crumpets. But maybe not. They have a lot of them on paper [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Kor...

Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by cryptica »

anonzzzies wrote: post #11
cryptica wrote: post #7

The hacker doesn't understand what they're getting themselves into, especially bragging about it. The hard part about going up against an entire nation/state is that it's relentless. The state never gets tired and never runs out of money, they could setup a team of people to 'work' on that individual and also potentially his present and future family members for a very long time. They can keep replenishing their team…

Yep, it seems way too many people know who he is irl. I would be not sleep well for the coming decade at least.

Yeah and North Korea is known for punishing family members. It's just foolish to brag like that. Probably worse than the hack itself.

Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by golergka »

He contradicts himself left and right. In one comment, he writes that they will never come after him, in another that he's seriously concerned. He writes that he has a lot of serious connections in the DoD up to the highest level, and then explains that he has a way to stop any attack from NK, but nobody will even listen to him.

Re: I'm the hacker that brought down North Korea's Internet for over a week. AMA

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Post by joecool1029 »

Keirmot wrote: post #8
paganel wrote: post #2

Why isn’t he in prison? I mean, going by the West’s own laws, or the spirit of them, anyway. Unless he is part of said West’s Armed Forces, in which case this would get really close to a casus belli .

Because one of the 3 basic principles of sovereignty (as is understood by western political philosophy, known as Westphalian sovereignty) is that there is no other authority inside a State’s borders except its own. This means no other country has jurisdiction in North Korea, besides, there’s also no incentive to help in case DPRK asks for help. France doesn’t investigante crimes that happen in Spain, Portugal doesn’t…

Remember this guy didn't fly to DPRK, he committed what could be considered crimes under CFAA while on US soil? (CFAA written broadly enough that taking a country offline could be considered to affect foreign commerce/communication of the US)
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