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Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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I understand the theory—surely publishing more data would reassure everyone and help settle things—but this is based on an assumption which in my experience is false: that these dynamics are rational. I don't think that's how they work at all, so I don't have faith that earnestly publishing a moderation log would improve things. On the contrary, I find it easier to imagine it making things worse. Why? Because there w…

Reading through the linked comment (and it's linked algolia feed) I'll add that public mod actions are less aimed at the making interactions with small and loud subset who will never engage rationally themselves any better and more aimed at helping the rest of the community easily ignore said subset. If the typical rational user will have seen many posts about YC critical news not related to celebrity gossip they wil…

I appreciate your reading those past explanations (you're an existence proof that people sometimes do!) and I appreciate your thoughts. They aren't unreasonable, and it's not obvious what the optimum is, so I'm also just guessing.

I agree with you that the important thing is not to satisfy the litigious sort of internet user—the ones who take every explanation as fodder for fresh objections. It would be nice, of course, if they would take yes for an answer! and on rare occasions I've managed to pull it off, but it's hard, and ultimately too high a bar.

The important thing to satisfy the "rest of the community", as you put it. But the rest of the community seems to me already satisfied. Adding a new system like a moderation log wouldn't add to their satisfaction and might even diminish it.

I don't mean this in a complacent way! It has not always been the case that the "rest of the community" was more or less satisfied, and it took years to figure out how to get there. But we did figure it out (more or less), and the approach has been stable for a long time now. It boils down to this: we answer questions when people ask them, take their concerns seriously, and acknowledge and correct mistakes when we screw up. Because we do so much of this (I spend the bulk of my time doing it, many days), regular users eventually see repeated cases of it, and this lets them know that if they ever have a concern, a question, or just a curiosity, they can get an answer too.

This turned out to be by far the biggest factor in getting the HN system (community + mods + software) to be more self-regulating. What was lacking before that (mainly because pg didn't have time) was responsive, interactive moderation. It's important to understand that this is not a technical solution (like a moderation log). What makes things work better is human interaction, there's no substitute for that, and we're already doing quite a lot of it.

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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I've never met him in person and I don't usually judge a book by its cover, but he gives me a creepy vibe. It is difficult to put in words because this the first time I feel like this about someone I've never met. Something feels always off when I look at his photos or videos. This has been happening long before all this OpenAi drama.

This may give some insight on the creepiness you sense, it involves DARPA https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-ma...

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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post #170

I've never met him in person and I don't usually judge a book by its cover, but he gives me a creepy vibe. It is difficult to put in words because this the first time I feel like this about someone I've never met. Something feels always off when I look at his photos or videos. This has been happening long before all this OpenAi drama.

This may give some insight on the creepiness you sense, it involves DARPA https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-ma...

The idea that "DARPA is incompetent" because they promote hair-brained ideas, is one of their biggest ruses. Of course they're competent.

Corollary: Elon Musk https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1dgyujd/comment/l8...

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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This is going to fall off the front page very quickly, just watch. The mods suppress anything that makes YC or anything they invest in look bad

The post was moderated within 10 minutes of being submitted: https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=40710417

Those were user flags. (I just checked. A mod didn't do anything until 38 minutes later.)

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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post #22

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Actually we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is the story. This is the #1 rule of HN moderation and has been since pg first explained it to me on the morning he started showing me how to moderate HN. If anyone wants to read about this, there are ten years' worth of past explanations here: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... . It looks like a mod downweighted this story but…

> This looks like a flimsy story from a couple of months ago about something from many years ago. "Here's me obediently following the rule (Oh, the world is so full of silly rules!), but let me editorialise a bit on why any story about how Sam Altman isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread should be disregarded..." And you don't see how that undermines any "trust we have with the bulk of the community"?

I don't, because it doesn't. If the bulk of the community distrusted us, that would be by far the dominant issue on HN. That's how internet dynamics work.

The reason I post such long explanations when a case like this comes up is not because I think it will satisfy the disgruntled, chronically distrustful fraction of users (though that would be nice!) but because I know that explaining everything that happened, and why, is enough to reassure the bulk of the community.

(I wrote a bit more about this here if anyone cares: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40720410)

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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post #118

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Pretty big difference between getting fired and getting jail time, ain't it? Still, I doubt anyone is getting fired over this. And the document was not written by an oligarch, lol.

> And the document was not written by an oligarch, lol. No, only about one, in order to pump up his career, and AIUI signed by him. "lol hahaha"

I replied to a comment about normal people being fired over mistakes like these.

Who is supposedly at risk of being fired if not the person who wrote the document?

Should Altman fire himself or what are you talking about?

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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Materiality depend on the question at hand.

SEC filings would be enough for materiality one would assume.

You would not be correct. If It has to influence something. Being chairman of the board is much less prestigious or important than CEO or president which is actually doing work. Chairman of a board is a figurehead position.

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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This is really dumb, and I'm not even a fan of sama, I think he's a snake. Sam Altman was CEO and President. The fact he was not Chairman is not material. There's a thousand different explanations how that misstatement could have occurred. Maybe someone wrote that up, and sama didn't review every single line, and other people just assumed it was right. But it's not material. Being being the CEO and President of YC is…

As I read the statement in the article, he didn't claim he was the chairman of Y Combinator at the time he was actually President. He claimed was the chairman at the time of the filing, 2021: "Mr. Altman is an entrepreneurial and thought leader with a proven track record of growth investing within the technology industry. He is also the co-founder and CEO of OpenAI, a leading AI research and deployment company, and t…

It’s a misstatement and most probably an oversight at worst. It’s only material if it affects people’s decisions in investing. Theres no material amount of prestige associated with a board position over an actual working position like ceo or president.

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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post #111

The media obsession with Sam Altman reminds me of the old dutch saying 'high trees capture a lot of wind' (hoge bomen vangen veel wind) I suppose that's why many HNWI individuals consciously stay below the radar.

In Chinese there is 树(tree)大(big)招(attract)风(wind) but it is used in a way that implies the tree is innocent and the wind is at fault.

Re: Sam Altman is not on YC's board. So why claim to be its chair?

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post #170

I've never met him in person and I don't usually judge a book by its cover, but he gives me a creepy vibe. It is difficult to put in words because this the first time I feel like this about someone I've never met. Something feels always off when I look at his photos or videos. This has been happening long before all this OpenAi drama.

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