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Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

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Post by niutech »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #56

One of the happiest days of coding in the last 10 years for me happened in September last year when I added htmx to an internal self serve web app I develop for our company. With the addition of maybe 5 htmx attributes I was able to delete about 500 lines of client side JS. The app is now chock full of htmx interactions and has very little client side JS for the size of the app and it’s a joy to work on. Without htmx…

You deleted 500 lines of JS and added 44KB of (minified) HTMX. Better use HTMZ, which is only 166 bytes (sic!) and provides most of the interactivity: https://leanrada.com/htmz/

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#112

Post by niutech »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #2

hey folks, i'm the creator of htmx this isn't much of a feature upgrade, but we took the opportunity to clean up a few things and drop IE support, which will help us slim down the library over time hopefully it's an easy upgrade for most htmx users, upgrade guide is here: https://htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/ happy to answer any questions

As for slimming down over time, HTMX 1.0 was 26KB minified, now version 2.0 is 48KB minified. Why has it blown up by 184%, when it dropped IE support? Why don't keep it lightweight? Compare it with e.g. Petite Vue, which is 16KB minified.

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#113

Post by niutech »

gaganyaan wrote: post #11
recursivedoubts wrote: post #2

hey folks, i'm the creator of htmx this isn't much of a feature upgrade, but we took the opportunity to clean up a few things and drop IE support, which will help us slim down the library over time hopefully it's an easy upgrade for most htmx users, upgrade guide is here: https://htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/ happy to answer any questions

Are there any efforts to push functionality like this into the HTML standard? It would be nice if htmx eventually became unnecessary as browsers implemented it, and the work you're doing with proving it out in the wild seems like a crucial part of that.

HTML already allows a lot of HTMX functionality with just 166 bytes of JS glue code, see HTMZ: https://leanrada.com/htmz

You can make tabs, accordions, carousels, modals, popovers and even Pure HTML Out-Of-Order Streaming (PHOOOS) using only HTML & CSS: https://kodus.pl

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#115

Post by recursivedoubts »

niutech wrote: post #112
recursivedoubts wrote: post #2

hey folks, i'm the creator of htmx this isn't much of a feature upgrade, but we took the opportunity to clean up a few things and drop IE support, which will help us slim down the library over time hopefully it's an easy upgrade for most htmx users, upgrade guide is here: https://htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/ happy to answer any questions

As for slimming down over time, HTMX 1.0 was 26KB minified, now version 2.0 is 48KB minified. Why has it blown up by 184%, when it dropped IE support? Why don't keep it lightweight? Compare it with e.g. Petite Vue, which is 16KB minified.

htmx 1.9.12 was 44kb:

https://bundlephobia.com/package/htmx.org@1.9.12

and 2.0.0 was 45.3:

https://bundlephobia.com/package/htmx.org@2.0.0-beta4

i think that the better web components support blew is up a little. there is a reasonable amount of fat we can cut around IE support that is still in there, planning on doing so over the next few months & slowly

17ms over emerging 4G (and hopefully cached forever after that) doesn't freak me out too much

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#116

Post by recursivedoubts »

w4 wrote: post #81
recursivedoubts wrote: post #2

hey folks, i'm the creator of htmx this isn't much of a feature upgrade, but we took the opportunity to clean up a few things and drop IE support, which will help us slim down the library over time hopefully it's an easy upgrade for most htmx users, upgrade guide is here: https://htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/ happy to answer any questions

Not a question, but I just wanted to say that HTMX is a joy to work. I’m using it in production to slowly replace VueJS wherever full SPA interactions aren’t needed, and it has made development so much simpler. HTMX is such a breath of fresh air from the over-engineered jenga tower that web dev has evolved into over the past decade. Thank you!

:) great to hear

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#117

Post by recursivedoubts »

niutech wrote: post #113
gaganyaan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any efforts to push functionality like this into the HTML standard? It would be nice if htmx eventually became unnecessary as browsers implemented it, and the work you're doing with proving it out in the wild seems like a crucial part of that.

HTML already allows a lot of HTMX functionality with just 166 bytes of JS glue code, see HTMZ: https://leanrada.com/htmz You can make tabs, accordions, carousels, modals, popovers and even Pure HTML Out-Of-Order Streaming (PHOOOS) using only HTML & CSS: https://kodus.pl

yep, it's an interesting idea

we are planning on implementing a minimalist version of alex's ideas from "The Birth & Death of htmx" talk as a POC for people to look at too.

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#118

Post by recursivedoubts »

aquariusDue wrote: post #41
recursivedoubts wrote: post #2

hey folks, i'm the creator of htmx this isn't much of a feature upgrade, but we took the opportunity to clean up a few things and drop IE support, which will help us slim down the library over time hopefully it's an easy upgrade for most htmx users, upgrade guide is here: https://htmx.org/migration-guide-htmx-1/ happy to answer any questions

I'll join the others in praise of HTMX, it's a joy adding dynamic functionality to any website now. Thank you!

:) thank you i hope you continue to find htmx useful

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#119

Post by KnutThroughAway »

mikemitchelldev wrote: post #58

React's had such dominance for the last 10 years. I'm glad there's an alternative.

Vue? Svelte? Preact? Solid? Even Angular is much saner than React. Nobody needs to use React. Never had to. HTMX is no alternative for highly interactive web apps, btw.

Re: Htmx 2.0.0 has been released

#120

Post by jordiburgos »

niutech wrote: post #111
simonbarker87 wrote: post #56

One of the happiest days of coding in the last 10 years for me happened in September last year when I added htmx to an internal self serve web app I develop for our company. With the addition of maybe 5 htmx attributes I was able to delete about 500 lines of client side JS. The app is now chock full of htmx interactions and has very little client side JS for the size of the app and it’s a joy to work on. Without htmx…

You deleted 500 lines of JS and added 44KB of (minified) HTMX. Better use HTMZ, which is only 166 bytes (sic!) and provides most of the interactivity: https://leanrada.com/htmz/

The problem is not the download size. The problem is the amount of code to maintain.
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