London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
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Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
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Fair point, this would fit quite snugly on a ship or a sub. the real ones will probably smaller. I wonder will having more than one improve accuracy.
Never go to sea with two chronometers, take one or three.
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#93Even as somebody relatively familiar with inertial navigation, it took me almost the entire article to figure out that that's what this is doing. I really wish the words "inertial navigation" or "dead reckoning" would have occurred at least once in the article, but obviously "quantum navigation" sounds much cooler and as an added bonus makes it sound more like magic than technology.
Come to think of it, the earth's magnetic pole shifts so I guess this isn't possible? Either way, "London Underground tests new dead reckoning system" would have been more accurate it sounds like
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
The “nuke Moscow” case doesn’t require GPS. You’ll get plenty sufficient precision from inertial systems.
And if that's not enough, I'm sure you could get the rest of the way with cameras and AI. In 2024, it can't be too challenging to train a machine to recognize Moscow.
The hard part is doing that during re-entry.
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The “nuke Moscow” case doesn’t require GPS. You’ll get plenty sufficient precision from inertial systems.
Precision is, counterintuitively, still a big deal in the logic of nuclear weapons strategy. Nuking Moscow is easy, nuking hardened targets can be a lot harder. > Before the invention of this new fuzing mechanism, even the most accurate ballistic missile warheads might not detonate close enough to targets hardened against nuclear attack to destroy them. But the new super-fuze is designed to destroy fixed targets by d…
But when it's the difference between hitting a hardened target or being off by 200 meters, that doesn't really affect normal people.
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#96If this was developed in the US this would immediately be ITAR restricted
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I'm missing something but hitting a gas just above absolute zero with lasers from every direction doesn't sound as something that could be miniaturised.
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Some weapons do use GPS. The Joint Direct Attack Munition, the US's most common "smart bomb", is GPS-dependent. There's an inertial backup, but it's not that good. With GPS, it can hit a bunker or an artillery emplacement or a parked vehicle. Without GPS, small targets are out.
DARPA has been working on small, low-cost inertial systems with enough accuracy to remove GPS dependence. Exactly how good those systems are and which weapons systems now use them is not talked about much. Here's the project poster.[1] This is an improved form of MEMS accelerometers and gyros, not new physics. DARPA has a project for that, too, but the near term goal is small, cheap, and disposable for munitions.
There's much current interest in weapons which combine gun, bomb, and missile technology to boost range. Bombs with a small jet engine and wings for extra range exist. Both the US and Russia have them. Artillery rounds with a rocket upper stage are becoming available. The general idea is to have stuff you can shoot into heavily defended territory.[2]
[1] https://eri-summit.darpa.mil/docs/ERIsummit2020/posters/25_P...
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Precision is, counterintuitively, still a big deal in the logic of nuclear weapons strategy. Nuking Moscow is easy, nuking hardened targets can be a lot harder. > Before the invention of this new fuzing mechanism, even the most accurate ballistic missile warheads might not detonate close enough to targets hardened against nuclear attack to destroy them. But the new super-fuze is designed to destroy fixed targets by d…
But importantly, making sure a nuke can still hit Moscow despite geolocation countermeasures has lots of worrying consequences for normal people that are in normal cities. If nukes are hitting random countryside then a lot less people die. But when it's the difference between hitting a hardened target or being off by 200 meters, that doesn't really affect normal people.
Which is precisely why even the mere ownership of nuclear weapons was ruled by the ICJ to be illegal: a violation of inter alia the Hague [1907], UN Charter and Geneva Conventions.
Specifically the Geneva Convention Protocol I (1977) states that ‘the civilian population shall not be the object of attack’.
The 1977 Geneva Protocol was ratified by the USA, so its not even that mystical international law thing - its domestic law.
The nuclear powers have spent the next 25 years trying to lobby and bully their way out of this inconvenient bit of international law. Expect to see some in the comments.
https://www.icj-cij.org/case/95 https://cnduk.org/resources/tridents-compatibility-internati...
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
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US ICBMs been inertially guided for decades. They predate GPS. Once launched, they have no radio inputs. Some weapons do use GPS. The Joint Direct Attack Munition, the US's most common "smart bomb", is GPS-dependent. There's an inertial backup, but it's not that good. With GPS, it can hit a bunker or an artillery emplacement or a parked vehicle. Without GPS, small targets are out. DARPA has been working on small, low…
That's how the original Third Reich V-rockets worked as well, and they were shockingly inaccurate. It didn't matter for the Nazis, as their intention was to spread terror among the British population instead of actually hitting specific military targets, but in a modern war waged under the rules of war, "collateral damage" can actually be a war crime, and even if not, it will provoke significant opposition.
This can at the moment be seen in Ukraine, where Ukraine regularly (and rightfully, IMHO) claims that Russia's strikes violate the rules of war by hitting civilian infrastructure en masse, and where Ukraine's strike capability against Russia is severely impeded by Russian GPS jamming (that also causes serious safety issues for civilian airlines [1]), but also in the current Israel/Palestine war, where Hamas regularly claims that Israeli strikes are too imprecise [2] or unguided [3], while Israel claims it hits hidden weapons caches that subsequently explode and cause a lot of secondary damage [4].
[1] https://www.newsweek.com/finland-estonia-gps-jamming-russia-...
[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-attack-raf...
[3] https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/31/i...
[4] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/military-experts-discuss-i...
Re: London Underground hosts tests for 'quantum compass' that could replace GPS
#100Journalists get it wrong, again. Sigh. It will never replace GNSS. It's quantum inertial navigation (QIN) that double-integrates acceleration like another method, requiring external position, heading, and velocity (re)calibration and drifts without them. It has absolutely no idea where it is from only itself.