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EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by anigbrowl »

belter wrote: post #7

EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party buddies to take over the government jobs. EU politicians should keep their over inflated salaries, and stick to what they are good at. Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants.

EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by gpvos »

consumer451 wrote: post #47
linuxandrew wrote: post #3

Signal Foundation has already said they would leave the EU if Chat Control goes ahead. https://mastodon.world/@Mer__edith/112535616774247450

I am so thankful that Signal Foundation exists, and refuses to be bullied.

True, but it won't make a difference.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by gpvos »

Dig1t wrote: post #73
worldsayshi wrote: post #68

How is VPN supposed to work? How are internet banks supposed to operate? All security will go out the window? Backdoors everywhere? Will TLS have to be redone with a third snooping party in the mix? Is that what we're going for here?

Client side scanning is going to be required, it doesn’t matter if you’re on a VPN if your device is self-reporting.

How would my device be (self-)reporting?

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by throwawayfear »

squigz wrote: post #71
Wytwwww wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We learnt the value of free speech the hard way, and very slowly Did we though? Unfortunately outside the US and a handful of other places free speech doesn't seem to be valued that much, often it's even viewed as a threat (and I'm not talking about authoritarian regimes). It's a double-edged sword to be fair, enabling misinformation and chaos.

> Unfortunately outside the US and a handful of other places free speech doesn't seem to be valued that much, often it's even viewed as a threat Can you convince me of this? Because it's not my impression.

Canada and the EU certainly don’t care about free speech.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by squigz »

ziggy_star wrote: post #83
squigz wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's remarkable to you that calls for violence get flagged?

[flagged]

I'm not sure why it matters who you're quoting. Feel free to make a more substantive point.

I vouched for it myself, by the way.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by Dig1t »

consumer451 wrote: post #44
cjbgkagh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech absolutists like myself got run over culturally with hate speech laws so for anyone continuing on the fight I wish you the best of luck.

Anti-hate speech got you? What were you trying to say exactly? One can go on X right now and spew any hate speech that one wants. How about just political opinions? How quickly we forgot "free speech zones." This is the government actually limiting public speech in the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone BTW, I am not for this regulation in any way. I just don't see the connection to hate speech.

OP specified “culturally”, ie people who stand up for free speech regardless of its content are painted as alt-right bigots, even if they only care about preserving the right to speak freely.

I’m also in this camp and have been down-voted into oblivion many times for just saying something like “I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

It’s not fun to be a defender of truly free speech because you get painted into the same camp as the bad guys.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by squigz »

throwawayfear wrote: post #85
squigz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately outside the US and a handful of other places free speech doesn't seem to be valued that much, often it's even viewed as a threat Can you convince me of this? Because it's not my impression.

Canada and the EU certainly don’t care about free speech.

That comment is not doing a good job of convincing me.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by hot_gril »

consumer451 wrote: post #44
cjbgkagh wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech absolutists like myself got run over culturally with hate speech laws so for anyone continuing on the fight I wish you the best of luck.

Anti-hate speech got you? What were you trying to say exactly? One can go on X right now and spew any hate speech that one wants. How about just political opinions? How quickly we forgot "free speech zones." This is the government actually limiting public speech in the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone BTW, I am not for this regulation in any way. I just don't see the connection to hate speech.

It's illegal in a lot of countries.
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