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EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by [deleted] »

Wytwwww wrote: post #13
FredPret wrote: post #4

This is why the roles of the major players in society (government, monopolies) need to be circumscribed. Large organizations will always try to grow in size and power. We need some sort of human right for digital privacy to make this sort of thing illegal.

Tell that to the people cheering the EU "sticking it" to the megacorporations like Apple. Not that those policies were bad on their own but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that the bureaucrats in Brussels ever cared about anything else than exerting their power and control over anything they can touch... The administrative budget of the EU should be cut by 3-4x times and the money should be spent on somet…

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Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by pantalaimon »

Wytwwww wrote: post #17
wafflemaker wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks to hn crowd, who explained it's not super difficult (and not going to lie, summer $500 discount), a Google pixel phone, soon running GrapheneOS, is on it's way. Can GrapheneOS prevent detection of somebody sideloading Signal?

Probably not but you still need to have someone to someone to communicate with even if you manage to install it. If you can't get it on the mainstream app stores it will just be a niche app for "privacy nerds" and drug dealers (in the EU at least..)

All the drug dealers are on Telegram already, they need a hassle free way to communicate with their customers.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by b112 »

Wytwwww wrote: post #15
elric wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting thread ... they claim they won't be compliant, which I applaud, but what will happen is that unwitting Signal users will end up being targeted by law enforcement. There are already precedents of people with "secure" phones or encrypted messaging apps being targeted, such as the Sky ECC case.

> will happen is that unwitting Signal users will end up being targeted by law enforcement Seems like a good thing. If nothing else works at least that might bring some attention to this nonsense..

"Signal, unwilling to implement easy to build software to comply with EU regulations, likely due to fiscal concerns, has shown itself placing profit far above the care and concerns of our next generation, our children, and the pedophiles that prey upon them, such heinous creators of child porn." signed EU press release.

And so, 96% of people now think Signal is evil.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by Macha »

moffkalast wrote: post #27

> Only Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria and Poland are relatively clear that they will not support the proposal, but this is not sufficient for a “blocking minority”. Ahem what? Last I checked any EU country can veto anything on its own. > Belgian EU Council presidency It's Council of the EU, not EU Council, that's the heads of state who don't have any legislative role. But the Council only does inter-co…

> Ahem what? Last I checked any EU country can veto anything on its own.

Only on certain topics, which have been narrowed down over time. For most areas (including something like chat control), it comes down to Qualified Majority Voting, which needs at least 55% of countries representing at least 65% of EU population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_E...

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by lovethevoid »

Wytwwww wrote: post #13
FredPret wrote: post #4

This is why the roles of the major players in society (government, monopolies) need to be circumscribed. Large organizations will always try to grow in size and power. We need some sort of human right for digital privacy to make this sort of thing illegal.

Tell that to the people cheering the EU "sticking it" to the megacorporations like Apple. Not that those policies were bad on their own but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that the bureaucrats in Brussels ever cared about anything else than exerting their power and control over anything they can touch... The administrative budget of the EU should be cut by 3-4x times and the money should be spent on somet…

You can be against these changes without immediately bending over for megacorps.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by Wytwwww »

b112 wrote: post #33
Wytwwww wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> will happen is that unwitting Signal users will end up being targeted by law enforcement Seems like a good thing. If nothing else works at least that might bring some attention to this nonsense..

"Signal, unwilling to implement easy to build software to comply with EU regulations, likely due to fiscal concerns, has shown itself placing profit far above the care and concerns of our next generation, our children, and the pedophiles that prey upon them, such heinous creators of child porn." signed EU press release. And so, 96% of people now think Signal is evil.

> And so, 96% of people now think Signal is evil.

The overwhelming majority of people living in the EU won't really care or even notice this new law/directive/(?) because they don't really pay any attention to what the EU is doing but yeah for most of of the remaining ones that will probably suffice.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by Wytwwww »

lovethevoid wrote: post #35
Wytwwww wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the people cheering the EU "sticking it" to the megacorporations like Apple. Not that those policies were bad on their own but we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking that the bureaucrats in Brussels ever cared about anything else than exerting their power and control over anything they can touch... The administrative budget of the EU should be cut by 3-4x times and the money should be spent on somet…

You can be against these changes without immediately bending over for megacorps.

Certainly. Although megacorps at least still have some incentives to compete with each other and therefore try to appease the consumers. Unfortunately the EU does not.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by treyd »

pantalaimon wrote: post #16
Lichtso wrote: post #2

Already was somewhat degraded by the EU parliament: https://proton.me/blog/eu-parliament-chat-control

Sure it’s now opt-in. But if you don’t opt in, you can no longer send photos or videos.

That seems so arbitrary, where does ascii art fall?

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by zirror »

moffkalast wrote: post #27

> Only Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria and Poland are relatively clear that they will not support the proposal, but this is not sufficient for a “blocking minority”. Ahem what? Last I checked any EU country can veto anything on its own. > Belgian EU Council presidency It's Council of the EU, not EU Council, that's the heads of state who don't have any legislative role. But the Council only does inter-co…

There are some matters at the council that just need a qualified majority to move forward.

Other matters, notably foreign policy, require unanimity.

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