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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by segasaturn »

khazhoux wrote: post #519
segasaturn wrote: post #324

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While I agree with you, I doubt banning Chinese tech will remedy this problem. My experience is that American brands are much, much more aggressive about making you connect to the internet, install our apps, create an account, subscribe to our newsletter etc. Look at the difference between iRobot and Chinese robot vacuums on Amazon - the difference is night and day.

> While I agree with you, I doubt banning Chinese tech will remedy this problem. I don't mean this as a political issue, but in your comment I see one of the reasons Trump appeals to people. He promotes a mindset of "stop handwringing and just fix the damn problem." Here we know the following: 1) DJI devices have an always-on connection 2) Chinese government is unfriendly to US and exerts strong control over Chinese…

I'm not sure how that would actually "fix the damn problem"? My point is that American tech companies are just as data-hungry as DJI, probably more, and Chinese tech products are more likely to let users control their devices off-line than American brands. You're right though that creating a boogeyman and attacking it while ignoring the much larger and more complicated problems is great politics (and always has been)

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Post by nacs »

kristianpaul wrote: post #232

Is this going eventually impact TV companies like LG , Samsung and such? I bet there are more Chinese made devices already spread worldwide because of reasons….

LG & Samsung are South Korean companies, not Chinese, so they aren't a target (yet).

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Post by fouc »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #435
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

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> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

I remember reading somewhere that all large companies in China are effectively state-owned, they basically always have a CCP member of the party on their board, which even the CEO is beholden to.

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Post by gus_massa »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #482
sofixa wrote: post #471

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> Entity formation time; time and capital required to hire the first N employees; number, cost and time of licensing required before first sale can be made. Each are higher in Europe. Which Europe? All of those can be done online with minimal effort or upfront investment in many EU countries. Do you mean Belarus? > Combine that with the multiple languages and regulators which inhibits scale and you get the present si…

> All of those can be done online with minimal effort or upfront investment in many EU countries. Do you mean Belarus? Each of them can be done online in most countries. All, very few. I think only Estonia comes to mind. (At least one form in that process requires visiting a notary in most of Western Europe.) The cost of terminating an employee is also a unique risk that European firms have to capitalise for which Am…

Spain still has not succededed after triying for centuries. Italy has "dialects" [1]. I'm not sure about the local detaild of the other countries.

[1] A dialect is a language without a flag or a float.

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Post by jltsiren »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #443
MonkeyClub wrote: post #358

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I don't think they were just > a couple hundred years behind

They were, 16th century muskets aren't much better than bows and arrows.

They were at least 2000 years behind Europe in weapons and armor technology. Some cultures had bronze weapons, but no iron smelting or steel.

Even before muskets started becoming common, European professional infantry had largely abandoned shields. Mass produced plate armor provided sufficient protection from arrows, and two-handed pikes were better than a pike and a shield.

On the other hand, bows became more effective again as muskets improved. When a musket could penetrate any reasonable armor, personal protection became less important.

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Post by kelnos »

dji4321234 wrote: post #350
TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

Your post convinced me of the opposite of what you were going for; after reading it, I get even more of a feeling that DJI does shady things.

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Post by nkrisc »

wyager wrote: post #366
nkrisc wrote: post #76

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Oh, those pesky consumers getting in the way of the innovation of the free market with their protections. If only they could be fully exploited for maximum value extraction without interference.

This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

I’m an American. I wish we had these protections.

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Post by huggingmouth »

Dji is like samsung; great hardware ruined by owner-hostile software. I will never buy either unless I can load standard open source software on them.

I can't wait for right to repair and similar laws force these delusional companies to actually hand over control of products to their rightful owners.

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Post by Fauntleroy »

sschueller wrote: post #178

So I guess the new viable business strategy in the US is: 1. Find a sector which a foreign companies dominates 2. Enter this sector even with a bad product 3. Go to congress and get the other ones banned because they are "insert reason here".

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