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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by kmlx »

samatman wrote: post #107
doctorpangloss wrote: post #42

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> Banning DJI drones in the US lets you build a factory in the US that can eventually get costs down. I anticipate exactly zero automated drone factories.

"automated factory" is somewhat redundant, no? The point is that most people who will buy a $700 Chinese drone will buy a $1000 US drone if that's all they can get. I am of the opinion that the US made a very serious mistake by opening up tariff-free trade with countries which do not have comparable labor and environmental safety laws. The Feds should have come up with reasonable estimates of what foreign manufacturi…

> The point is that most people who will buy a $700 Chinese drone will buy a $1000 US drone if that's all they can get.

the time when the US could actually decide this sort of thing at close to planet scale is long gone. if you ban those devices, there will be countless other nations (including close friends of the US) where you will be able to buy them no problem.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by asenna »

mrtksn wrote: post #208
lawlessone wrote: post #47

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>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

I recently moved to Spain, after having lived in the US for a decade. It's only been a month for me and I definitely see the over-reaching over-regulation of EVERYTHING in the EU.

It's so much that it literally pushes young people to have a non-risk taking mindset. I have a friend who has some knife sharpening and tooling skills and she's been figuring how to do something with this (some kind of a business). I suggested why not get a garage and get the machinery you want and get started. She listed down all the regulations and how even thinking about it is not allowed.

Starting a business/startups is hard. The EU just adds 10-20 more hurdles to cross to get even with the US startup ecosystem. At least that's been my observation in the few weeks.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by marcinzm »

moduspol wrote: post #359
stavros wrote: post #237

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Will it be a huge increase in spending? Isn't it estimated to reduce costs by a lot?

We do not have an established history of accurately predicting or managing the costs of overwhelmingly expensive government programs, at least here in the US.

The US already runs two government healthcare programs. There are 65 million people in Medicare and 83 million in Medicaid. For less money per patient than private insurance.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by Invictus0 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #177
Invictus0 wrote: post #143

Everyone in the comments seems to be against this: why? Let's build up a great domestic drone company here in the US.

Surely this is possible without just banning competitors, no?

The competition is literally an arm of the state of China, which is able to subsidize the business and send prices through the floor. Why would any entrepreneur choose to compete with a state-backed enterprise? And by the way, have you heard of tariffs? We literally "ban" all kinds of products with very high tariffs.

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Post by monkpit »

ziddoap wrote: post #445
mike_d wrote: post #354

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> American brands are much, much more aggressive about making you connect to the internet, install our apps, create an account This whataboutism ignores one very important point. When you connect a device to an American company they might do things that we consider privacy violations, while still staying generally within the bounds of the law. We like to joke about data going to the NSA or something, but in the extre…

I agree with most of your point but. > data going to the NSA or something, but in the extremely limited cases where it does protections exist with oversight. They didn't build the Utah Data Center because of their extremely limited amount of data. We all like to joke about our data going to the NSA because our data has been repeatedly been caught going to the NSA.

Yeah, it’s not a joke…

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by BlobberSnobber »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #435
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

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> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

> China is not the US

Not a very good comparison in terms of the state forcing companies to give out their customers' data...

Also love how, in your opinion, anyone pointing this out must of course be a conspiracy nut.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by rubytubido »

kube-system wrote: post #334
WhackyIdeas wrote: post #81

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I agree with your impression. It reminds me.. when someone is cheating on a partner, they are more likely to think they are being cheated on too. I have experienced this, being accused non-stop when actually they were the one cheating all along. Just because USA likes tampering with proprietary code and using NDA’s with Silicon Valley to bug just about anything they want (because they can), that paranoia consumes the…

> Just because USA likes tampering with proprietary code and using NDA’s with Silicon Valley to bug just about anything they want (because they can), that paranoia consumes them that other countries are doing the same. During times of war, other countries absolutely do the same.

When you can't justify the actions of your country - but..but..but other countries they do the same!

Just looks at the western reactions about 'foreign agents' bill in Georgia.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #442
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

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> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

Aw yes, a $15B company that is “lazy”

It is amazing how much leeway enormous companies can get by claiming ignorance or laziness.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mrtksn »

asenna wrote: post #492
mrtksn wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

I recently moved to Spain, after having lived in the US for a decade. It's only been a month for me and I definitely see the over-reaching over-regulation of EVERYTHING in the EU. It's so much that it literally pushes young people to have a non-risk taking mindset. I have a friend who has some knife sharpening and tooling skills and she's been figuring how to do something with this (some kind of a business). I sugges…

That's probably not an EU thing, you should consider an EU country more suitable to your line of business. Or you know, just do your thing don't bother with the regulations and pay a fine if it becomes a problem some time in the future?

Apparently Spaniards like it this way, they live long healthy lives in the system they set up for themselves.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by lupusreal »

chasd00 wrote: post #170
lupusreal wrote: post #94

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The bans are inevitable. It's only a matter of time before somebody tries to drop a pipe bomb on a politician.

I hope not, i'm pretty involved in the high power rocketry hobby and the materials/electronics and knowledge exist in the hobby to make something like a guided surface-to-surface rocket with a range in 10s of miles but no one does because it would instantly ruin the hobby for everyone. A friend of mine in heavy into r/c planes and is an embedded engineer so he has a bunch of autopilot stuff going on. I'm sure he can…

The problem for drones is easily weaponizable models exist off the shelf for people with malicious intentions and no interest in preserving the hobby. To weaponized a rocket requires more intellectual investment.
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