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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by benoliver999 »

vsuperpower2020 wrote: post #460

I'm not going to miss drones. Too many drone operators abused them to violate peoples expectation of quiet or privacy, or to harass animals, and were ignored or outright supported by other users. Laws restricting specific areas or behavior are extremely hard to enforce compared to an outright ban. The most common defense was violating your privacy wasn't technically illegal. Well, now that it is going to become illeg…

I just had some drone photos taken of damage on the roof of my house, and it's way easier than trying to get up 4 storeys with a ladder

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by sofixa »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #435
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

> China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data

Do you think that e.g. FISA courts or the CIA kidnapping random civilians based on their name/watch type have a high threshold of evidence?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by sofixa »

cm2012 wrote: post #438
team_gold wrote: post #336

As someone who has a DJI Mini what are the options for a consumer drone made by a US company? Everything on https://www.diu.mil/blue-uas-cleared-list is either widely different, 15x as expensive, not purchasable by civilians at all, or all of the above. Parret appears to have stopped selling their consumer model entirely. Skydio 2+ seems like the closest thing but it also no longer appears to be for sale either. All…

The market will open up for new companies after the China ban takes effect. Right now they can't compete.

> Right now they can't compete.

Why? Because they aren't good enough, and if they have no competition they'll have to actually do something?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by 83 »

sschueller wrote: post #178

So I guess the new viable business strategy in the US is: 1. Find a sector which a foreign companies dominates 2. Enter this sector even with a bad product 3. Go to congress and get the other ones banned because they are "insert reason here".

Has there been any evidence this was pushed by lobbyists? If you look at what's happening in Ukraine It's pretty much a given that the US defense sector is looking at ways to improve the US small drone manufacturing capabilites, and have less potentially hostile drones flying over their own territory.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by asadotzler »

aeyes wrote: post #436
nsvd wrote: post #413

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Yes, if only there was some kind of democratic process in this country, where citizens could influence the laws that are passed...

Is this some kind of sarcastic joke? Anti-China legislation is popular with both parties. So who do you vote for in a two-party system?

You vote for the side that's most favorable to reform and then vote for the people within that party most likely to bend things toward your goals, ideally slowly shifting one side's stance toward yours until there is a difference between the parties. You and everyone you can convince go do that work, and it is work, for 5-10 cycles and you might effect meaningful change.

There was never a "one election will fix everything" in the US and people who pretend that's the only path and use that to discount the possibility of change were never serious about change to begin with. Had they been serious, they'd have studied history enough to see you rarely get what you want with one election cycle.

It's the quitters that got us into this uniparty situation on so many issues. Don't be a quitter, get active and stay active until you see the change you want.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by kredd »

FredPret wrote: post #384
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #378

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Isn’t the US the weaker partner here?

Struggling to understand in which context the US is the weaker partner. - GDP [0] - Total wealth [1] - Military - Demographics (US - growing, China - aging and shrinking) - Soft power [0] https://tradingeconomics.com/ [1] [ https://www.ubs.com/global/en/family-office-uhnw/reports/glo... ]

Manufacturing capability and infrastructure would be my guess. I guess if the trend continues and factories keep moving to India and Mexico, it might be a different game in 10 years.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by hintymad »

henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

> It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech

The US is embracing protectionism because we lost the manufacturing advantage. We lost the advantage because we outsourced our manufacturing to China with the pipe dream that we could keep the "higher end" of the value chain. It's as if we can magically have senior engineers without training junior ones in factories. It's as if the equally ambitious and talented Chinese fellows wouldn't want to climb up the value chain. As a result, we have lost talent. We have lost know-how. We have lost the supply chain. We have lost the intuition of how to optimize or scale manufacturing.

What a shame.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by coldtea »

rallyforthesun wrote: post #329
lawlessone wrote: post #47

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>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

That someone can buy new DJI drones in europe is right, but only the latest releases. You cannot use any of the drones you might have purchased over the last years anymore in europe because of the new regulations.

I don't think that's true. You just need some new firmware or something, no?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by marcinzm »

wyager wrote: post #366
nkrisc wrote: post #76

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Oh, those pesky consumers getting in the way of the innovation of the free market with their protections. If only they could be fully exploited for maximum value extraction without interference.

This attitude is why EU countries are mostly quite poor compared to the US and have relatively unproductive and low-tech economies. You bring it upon yourself.

Billionaires making more money sure helps pay my hospital bills.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by andrepd »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #435
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

Ahaha, as opposed to the US where... 3-letter agencies don't bring evidence to a judge, they just go to google/meta to get it.
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