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Post by mrtksn »

satvikpendem wrote: post #410
mrtksn wrote: post #271

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Longevity, happiness, health, leisure, life satisfaction. Companies are there to make these possible, not to maximise the stock trading price. Some achieve that by making EUV lithography machines, others do chemicals or pharmaceuticals. Are you aware that you can use the developer tools in your browser to set the price of the stock or your bank account balance to anything you like? You don't have to crumble your infr…

> Longevity, happiness, health, leisure, life satisfaction. Companies are there to make these possible, not to maximise the stock trading price. No? This is exactly the opposite of why companies exist, they are specifically there to increase the stock price via development of their products. That we get better happiness via rising wealth standards is just a coincidence, albeit a very useful and historically true coin…

Right, that's why at the heart of the tech innovation peple are running from mentally ill homeless people the insulating themselves in gated communities to pretend like living in a german village. Huge success.

I wouldn't obsess too much with the GDP too, its not as good as a proxy to the important stuff as people are trying to make it. An appendicitis surgery generates much more economic activity in USA than in Europe and Americans don't end with better appendixes.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mensetmanusman »

dji4321234 wrote: post #350
TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

Aw yes, a $15B company that is “lazy”

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #358
nostrademons wrote: post #269

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That's a large part of the issue, though. The narrative 10 years ago was that we were preventing Chinese from dumping low-cost crap on the U.S. market. Okay, fair enough, keep the crap out. But recent U.S. protectionism has been targeting very high-quality, best-in-class Chinese manufacturers that honestly outcompete anything their U.S. competitors bring to market. Without that competition, there's no incentive for U…

I don't think they were just > a couple hundred years behind

They were, 16th century muskets aren't much better than bows and arrows.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by kanbara »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #435
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

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> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

>I don't think they're explicitly a CCP data-collection front In China you cannot not be explicitly a CCP data-collection front. China doesn't bring evidence to a judge in order to get a subpoena for data. They just go to DJI an get it. DJI has zero legal recourse if the CCP wants access to all DJI's stored data. Doesn't matter where that data is stored. Same thing for tiktok and why legislators are killing that too.…

do you think that national security warrants and subpoenas actually stand up to evidentiary claims? it’s not like the US actually cares and does the right thing— it’s just force hidden behind “process”

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Post by ziddoap »

mike_d wrote: post #354
segasaturn wrote: post #324

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While I agree with you, I doubt banning Chinese tech will remedy this problem. My experience is that American brands are much, much more aggressive about making you connect to the internet, install our apps, create an account, subscribe to our newsletter etc. Look at the difference between iRobot and Chinese robot vacuums on Amazon - the difference is night and day.

> American brands are much, much more aggressive about making you connect to the internet, install our apps, create an account This whataboutism ignores one very important point. When you connect a device to an American company they might do things that we consider privacy violations, while still staying generally within the bounds of the law. We like to joke about data going to the NSA or something, but in the extre…

I agree with most of your point but.

>data going to the NSA or something, but in the extremely limited cases where it does protections exist with oversight.

They didn't build the Utah Data Center because of their extremely limited amount of data.

We all like to joke about our data going to the NSA because our data has been repeatedly been caught going to the NSA.

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Post by danaris »

EgregiousCube wrote: post #392
danaris wrote: post #375

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> You'll find very few people who don't want poor people to have things and it's disingenuous to put it that way. I'm afraid your experiences are not universal. There is a very strong streak of this in the US, significantly (though probably not wholly) traceable to the Calvinist roots of the Puritans who were a profound influence on the early culture of the country. When you believe that people's position on Earth is…

There is a wide gap between not wanting to be responsible for helping the poor and actively wanting the poor to fail. You're confusing the two.

You're right about the first part, but I'm not confused about anything.

There are genuinely many people who wholeheartedly believe that the poor deserve to be poor, and that helping them is bad. Some of them aren't even that well off themselves, but have bought into an ideology that's detrimental to them.

If you haven't encountered these people, then count yourself lucky, but don't try to deny their existence or assume your own experiences are universal.

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Post by hintymad »

We can ban DJI all we want, but our military or the US itself is declining nonetheless if we don't solve our manufacturing problem like we still produce those lame suicidal drones rogue1 that has inferior spec to DJI Mavic 3 yet charges fucking $94K a pop, like the cost of making a canon shell is 10X more than Russian even though Russia is known to be one of the most corrupted country in the world, like we don't have a prosperous manufacturing industry to rely on so the cost of a specialized screw could be hundreds times more than what what China produces.

I mean, we can have the best service industry in the world, but eventually we have to produce good things, no? Or in the worst case, if there's war, what do we depend on? Traders and programmers and lawyers and waiters? Are we sure we could out produce the Axis 20:1, like building a warship every 3 days (or a week?)?

It pains me to see the US decline just like the Roman Empire did.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by satvikpendem »

mrtksn wrote: post #441
satvikpendem wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Longevity, happiness, health, leisure, life satisfaction. Companies are there to make these possible, not to maximise the stock trading price. No? This is exactly the opposite of why companies exist, they are specifically there to increase the stock price via development of their products. That we get better happiness via rising wealth standards is just a coincidence, albeit a very useful and historically true coin…

Right, that's why at the heart of the tech innovation peple are running from mentally ill homeless people the insulating themselves in gated communities to pretend like living in a german village. Huge success. I wouldn't obsess too much with the GDP too, its not as good as a proxy to the important stuff as people are trying to make it. An appendicitis surgery generates much more economic activity in USA than in Euro…

The homeless people is a regulation failure, other cities have much better ways of dealing with them, California simply doesn't want to.

GDP is a good measure in general, because again, economic activity is correlated with higher outcomes. See China now versus 100 years ago.

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Post by coldtea »

TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

Well, their app is on the iOS app store, so unless you imply they do something special for their Android app...

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by satvikpendem »

kube-system wrote: post #420
satvikpendem wrote: post #411

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If we are talking about tech companies, as stated in the great-grandparent comment, tech employees in the US have as much or more vacation time as Europeans. I can easily take multi-month vacations if I so choose (with some prior planning and assent of course), and that is a similar story for other tech employees too. The difference is that we just get paid much more for the same work.

They are allocated a good number of PTO hours, but Americans are really bad at taking them. I also could take that long of a vacation too, technically, but I never have and realistically never would.

I guess, that's on them then. One could say the same of those types of Europeans who don't take vacation either. Personally I'm taking everything I'm allocated.
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