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Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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Had an epiphany like this after an earlier startup project failed, which my cofounder and I had tried to do following the formulaic approaches advocated by various accelerators, investors, and experts (often people with zero experience running a startup, but had been involved as angels after BigCo stock options vested, and then got into mentoring local accelerators). I hated the startup theater, pitching, networking,…

> but also good health insurance. I'm always amazed how blatantly clear it is that having health insurance tied to employment specifically discourages this kind of entrepreneurship, and the ability to "strike out on your own". Literally handcuffs keeping people at their jobs.

This is not an accident.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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this is highly dated... 2004-2008, the opportunities were others than today's

This attitude is bad, but it is kinda justified. If you spend any time in the "indie hacker" entrepreneur space today it is oversaturated with people trying to root out every single angle they can possibly try to address with their tech solution. They are all listening to podcasts, newsletters and buying courses about how to be a tech entrepreneur, but the people selling the 'how to get rich' info are the only ones c…

I might be way off the mark, but I get the sense with a lot of the indie hackers it is less about the money and more about the attraction of the community and the sense of belonging. If you "build in public" you'll get attention and will be cheered on by the others doing the same.

If they were really in it for the money then spending all of their free time for a couple of years to get a few hundred dollars MRR would be a fail, yet many of them keep at it. I suspect the rewards they get from being an active part of the community feel worth it.

I think a better choice is to either go day job + hobby that isn't for money, as restricting yourself to what makes money is going to be less enjoyable. Or day job + heavily profit focused side business with the goal of quickly replacing your day job with said business, then freeing up some time to have your hobbies again. I think the mistake is trying to do both at the same time. You can't really focus on both profit and personal enjoyment in the same project (unless profit is a big source of enjoyment for you).

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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For me, I found out that us “olds” are not exactly loved (actively hated, more like), and gave up looking for work, after being laid off from one of the top imaging corporations in the world. Pissed me off, something fierce, being treated that way (especially as I figured out it was being supported from the C-Suite). However, I have since realized that it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. I enjoy…

oh but think of all the “refactoring” you’re missing out on.

We have a DevRel engineer specifically working to get technical debt tickets into sprints.

So you get to refactor! Oh gee!

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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> but also good health insurance. I'm always amazed how blatantly clear it is that having health insurance tied to employment specifically discourages this kind of entrepreneurship, and the ability to "strike out on your own". Literally handcuffs keeping people at their jobs.

What are some good examples of countries with a different healthcare policy and more entrepreneurship, small businesses, and/or craftspeople than the USA?

Taiwan has a solid national health insurance plan. The number of small and medium sized businesses is very high for a country with a working age population of 16 million people:

Taiwan boasted more than 1.59 million small and medium enterprises (SMEs), according to the White Paper on Small and Medium Enterprises in Taiwan, 2022. This accounts for more than 98 percent of all enterprises, an all-time high. Further, SMEs employed 9.2 million people, representing more than 80 percent of the total workforce.

https://www.moea.gov.tw/MNS/english/news/News.aspx?kind=6&me...

I think the official number undercounts the many micro-businesses that exist around the food industry, markets, and services.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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> but also good health insurance. I'm always amazed how blatantly clear it is that having health insurance tied to employment specifically discourages this kind of entrepreneurship, and the ability to "strike out on your own". Literally handcuffs keeping people at their jobs.

Alright here are three health care reforms that we could implement without going all the way to Universal Health Care: 1. Anyone who pays cash for a procedure should pay a price that is no more than the lowest price that any insurance company has negotiated for the same service. 2. Anyone who buys a health care plan from the marketplace should get a price that is no more than 10% higher than the cheapest negotiated p…

Or just have Medicare for everyone.

The current scheme only benefits rich people whose ability to pay outrageous insurance rates is easy and less than taxes. Poor people get substandard care, middle class workers get boned. I spend more on healthcare than taxes, and half my taxes are paying for stupid healthcare, either directly or through proxy.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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> but also good health insurance. I'm always amazed how blatantly clear it is that having health insurance tied to employment specifically discourages this kind of entrepreneurship, and the ability to "strike out on your own". Literally handcuffs keeping people at their jobs.

Alright here are three health care reforms that we could implement without going all the way to Universal Health Care: 1. Anyone who pays cash for a procedure should pay a price that is no more than the lowest price that any insurance company has negotiated for the same service. 2. Anyone who buys a health care plan from the marketplace should get a price that is no more than 10% higher than the cheapest negotiated p…

All else being equal, I'd rather see the pricing pressure done by market competition rather than enforced price caps benchmarked against some metric controlled by the industry (see Medicare Part D - gov. negotiates hard to only reimburse xx%, drug industry says fine, we'll just raise the book price - you'll get your talking point, and we'll still get our asking price).

So more significantly:

* bring back association health plans across state lines and industries, so small businesses can band together for group rates. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-admin...

* Expand Direct Primary Care. https://www.dpcare.org/

* Allow primary care physicians, dentists, etc. to offer services without a state board providing "certification of need". This seems to just be gate-keeping / moat-building.

I'm not saying either or all of these are a perfect solution (nor do I think we need to find that solution immediately). As a small business owner, they'd make the health insurance handcuff problem easier to navigate by driving costs down.

I will say this - flying solo without health insurance does make you a FAR better consumer of healthcare services. You will comparison shop (made easier by price transparency rules). You will critically consider the necessity of gratuitous tests / procedures. You will learn that doctors are running profit-minded businesses like everyone else.

It also makes you reconsider some life choices (re: physically risky behavior).

I think the biggest fear I faced was the lack of catastrophic coverage (cancer, etc.). When we didn't have insurance (both small business owners) my wife and I probably consumed less than $1000 of direct services combined, per year. That part (direct pay for services used) was fine. Walking the tightrope without a safety net for expensive medical developments was our biggest risk. With kids it's even less of an option to operate that way. I've known many that have returned to corporate jobs for this reason alone.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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Like many things with the internet, it seems like if you got in at the ground floor you could do something like this. Now everything on the internet is cordoned off in centralized spaces, and there's a million businesses and random guys trying to figure out any and every possible angle to monetize overlooked markets. No way I can convince businesses to pay me for ads when they can be paying Facebook or YouTube who ow…

The frontier is always moving. You don't see people looking for gold in California anymore.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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I quit a company that was showing all the signs of trying to get rid of its senior developers so a couple of us jumped ship before the inevitable layoff. I went straight into another place that the recruiter said "preferred to hire more seasoned engineers." In my 5 years there I only remember two engineers that were under 30. Median age probably hovered around 50. There are outfits that realize that you get better wi…

Assuming the pool of engineers is growing exponentially, I’d expect a very small population of seasoned engineers.

I think that's why we got the two younger ones. At that time, they couldn't find enough experienced engineers to hire, so they tried two that were fresh out of school. They were pretty bright, but left after about 3 years each.

Re: Being laid off and unplanned entrepreneurship

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Yep. I’ve been saying for awhile now that universal healthcare would likely lead to one of the biggest small business booms ever. Not only does it help people strike out on their own, but makes easier/cheaper for them to hire.

On the other hand, it would make it harder for big business to retain talent.

This is why big business is not an ally for anything that makes health care cheaper or easier to engage. It's a great system for them.
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