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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by dylan604 »

questhimay wrote: post #196
danielspace23 wrote: post #162

It's interesting to see how the reactions differ between here and the articles on the ban on TikTok. And some even thought that the users who wrote to their government representatives were bots! Whenever the US bans or sanctions something, that impacts people, whether it's drone nerds or teens looking at silly videos. It just so happens that most people here seem to be outside of the TikTok target demographic, so we…

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Why do you expect only the teenage users of TikTok to not understand? I would say the vast majority of all TikTok users wouldn't/couldn't understand. If not that, they've definitely consumed enough content specifically swaying them in the other direction that they would be defensive about it without even knowing they've been swayed

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by cde-v »

questhimay wrote: post #186
dangoor wrote: post #73

For people wonder how this got there, the blame goes to Rep. Elise Stefanik: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2864 That bill was tacked onto a big "must pass" defense authorization and may not have survived on its own. Here's an article with some speculation on why Stefanik introduced this bill: https://dronexl.co/2024/06/06/drone-industry-outrage-stefani...

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It is like you don't know American history at all.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by debacle »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #182
TylerE wrote: post #99

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What a shocker. One of the most worthless partisan blowhards in congressional history. She's Dick Cheney to MTG/Boeberts Dubya Bush.

The sicker thing to me is how she (like many) was actually relatively moderate until she completely hitched her wagon onto the Trump train. Another Profile in Cowardice. An overview: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/women-rule/2023/01/06/t... All of these politicians who have these completely transactional relationships, I just find utterly gross. I mean, do they have any actual friends? For example, Trump comple…

Not sure why you are being downmodded. Stefanik touts herself as a MAGA princess, but she's nothing but a grifter.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by surfingdino »

blantonl wrote: post #136
glitchcrab wrote: post #106

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What an utterly ridiculous response. In your eyes, businesses should be able to run roughshod over the consumer? Yes, maybe the laws could have been more polished or have been implemented in a better way, but the underlying idea of protecting the consumer is the important takeaway from these laws.

to also be fair, I just recently returned from Europe and I was shocked at how maddeningly frustrating it was to simply use the Web. Between shockingly obtrusive GDPR consent forms and outright blocks on Websites from EU consumers, it was a wild look at what Europeans have to go through under the guise of consumer protections. Like, the pendulum swung WAY too far in the other direction.

How about not allowing "1579 partners" to track every click on your website?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by troupo »

ajford wrote: post #164
lupusreal wrote: post #104

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Most people have no problem with the GDPR. It only seems otherwise on this forum and similar echo chambers / bubbles where lots of people made their fortunes with adtech.

I love the intention of the law, but it's so... flexible... in implementation that shitty implementers ended up making the browsing experience horrible with intrusive pop-ups and geo blocking. On mobile every page load ends up with me spending the first minute or so on page dealing with the half-screen "don't sell my info" cookie dance, followed with the ad-block pop-ups.

> but it's so... flexible... in implementation

It usually isn't the law's job to dictate an implementation.

> shitty implementers ended up making the browsing experience horrible with intrusive pop-ups and geo blocking.

How is the law that doesn't even talk about browsers or cookies responsible for this?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by dji4321234 »

Tepix wrote: post #78
empath75 wrote: post #31

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It's definitely economic protectionism but it's mostly protectionism for national security reasons. I assume the US is going to start manufacturing drones for war in large numbers in the near term and they need to be made at home (or at least by allies).

Those drones will be built for war, how are they competing with DJI who refuses to let their drones be used for war?

HAHA. DJI drones are amongst the most popular tools of war in the Ukraine conflict. Sometimes they drop bombs directly, but more commonly they're used as long-ranged lookout stations and RF-repeater "hovering motherships" for bomb-equipped one-way FPV drone operators (as well as just general reconnaissance tasks).

That said, I don't think this law has anything to do with war, just simple economic protectionism driven by Skydio and other US drone lobbyists. Getting rid of DJI's excellent $7,000 enterprise drones lets Skydio sell their $15,000 + cloud-subscription enterprise drones instead.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by dylan604 »

bluescrn wrote: post #48
judge2020 wrote: post #46

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I imagine it prevents any remote control from working if it prohibits "FCC frequencies".

But if you could control the DJI drone with some other transmitter, perhaps running OpenTX, and also replaced the video downlink, then there'd be no DJI hardware using those frequencies.

I'm surprised there's no language saying that they must be tethered

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Post by glitchcrab »

troupo wrote: post #219
glitchcrab wrote: post #215

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Correct, but unfortunately that applies to the vast majority of websites. It wouldn't be so bad if the consent dialogs had an option to reject all optional cookies but unfortunately too many of them still try and trick or force you into accepting all cookies.

> It wouldn't be so bad if the consent dialogs had an option to reject all optional cookies As is explicitly required by law

Yep, but there are still plenty out there which do not. The likelihood of them being forced to correct this is essentially nil though.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by troupo »

glitchcrab wrote: post #228
troupo wrote: post #219

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> It wouldn't be so bad if the consent dialogs had an option to reject all optional cookies As is explicitly required by law

Yep, but there are still plenty out there which do not. The likelihood of them being forced to correct this is essentially nil though.

Yeah, that's the main issue I have: the enforcement of the law is lagging/lacking

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Post by influx »

mrtksn wrote: post #208
lawlessone wrote: post #47

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>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

What's the counter examples to highlight Europe's tech successes? Skype? Nokia? Soundcloud? Spotify?
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