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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Who decided it is a good idea to pass brands / companies specific bills? If DJI is doing nasty things, prohibit the nasty things DJI doing in the law, not the brand. Then condemn DJI if needed. How do this law protect from any DJi competitor doing the same stuff (or even a spinoff company through a complex scheme)?

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Does this just ban importing DJI products (bad enough) or does it also ban owning and/or flying a DJI drone you already own? (really bad if that's the case, but also would be difficult to enforce)

It adds DJI to the FCC Covered List, meaning they can't get new FCC approvals. The FCC could choose whether or not to revoke existing FCC Equipment Authorizations for existing DJI drones.

If they do revoke the existing Equipment Authorizations, then the drones become illegal RF transmitters and wouldn't be legal to fly, although enforcement would border on impossible.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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It's interesting to see how the reactions differ between here and the articles on the ban on TikTok. And some even thought that the users who wrote to their government representatives were bots! Whenever the US bans or sanctions something, that impacts people, whether it's drone nerds or teens looking at silly videos. It just so happens that most people here seem to be outside of the TikTok target demographic, so we…

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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> How is banning DJI drones in the US going to affect how they're being used in the war in Ukraine? It will not. > Or do you mean that banning them in the US will somehow stop them from being used against the US in the future? No. This is about planning for the future. In the event of a war the US wants a large existing base of domestic drone manufacturers. Today, that just does not exist at scale as most are made in…

> This is about planning for the future. In the event of a war the US wants a large existing base of domestic drone manufacturers. Today, that just does not exist at scale as most are made in China. This is similar to efforts to re-shore chip manufacturing. I don't think the US military generally uses off-the-shelf consumer products like the Ukraine military does, so does this actually affect them? They would be gett…

Ukraine goes through hundreds if not thousands of drones a day. Most are DIY or consumer grade at FWIW, we might be at peak drone for warfare anyway. At least vehicle based countermeasures are pretty obvious and will be put in place soon, although that won't be cheap either.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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If they weren't able to stop people from growing and distributing marijuana then I doubt they'll be able to stop this.

It takes minimal skills or effort to grow pot. This is closer to banning moonshine which was arguably fairly effective.

Whoa there big fella. Let's not denigrate weed growers with your broad brush trying to a make a point. Anyone that believes growing pot takes minimal effort clearly does not know what they are talking about. Maybe you can just drop some seeds in the ground somewhere, and maybe a pot plant will grow, but good weed will not be a plant of any value what so ever.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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What a shocker. One of the most worthless partisan blowhards in congressional history. She's Dick Cheney to MTG/Boeberts Dubya Bush.

The sicker thing to me is how she (like many) was actually relatively moderate until she completely hitched her wagon onto the Trump train. Another Profile in Cowardice. An overview: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/women-rule/2023/01/06/t... All of these politicians who have these completely transactional relationships, I just find utterly gross. I mean, do they have any actual friends? For example, Trump comple…

Politicians have put aside their personal beefs with Trump in response to their constituents. The republican base doesn’t want foreign wars and tax cuts, they want to kick the illegal immigrants out of the country and curtail foreign trade. Remember when Joe Biden told black voters Romney “wants to put them back in chains?” The Republican base wants their version of that guy, and that’s Trump. For Stefanik, Cruz, etc., their job is to put aside their personal preferences and get on board with what their constituents want.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Who decided it is a good idea to pass brands / companies specific bills? If DJI is doing nasty things, prohibit the nasty things DJI doing in the law, not the brand. Then condemn DJI if needed. How do this law protect from any DJi competitor doing the same stuff (or even a spinoff company through a complex scheme)?

I wonder, though, could this be considered an unconstitutional bill of attainder? That's an act of a legislature declaring a person, or a group of people, guilty of some crime, and punishing them, without a trial. Article I, Section 9, iii: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed".

That’s been my thought since the TikTok ban as well. It was meant for people, but this for sure seems to meet the spirit of the prohibition. Does it actually violate it? We’ll have to see once the cases work their way through.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement.

They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your country doesn't have monopolistic speculative giant public companies you must be failing.

It's very annoying because its very repetitive, I guess they are trying the Goebbles' propaganda technique of keep repeating something until people believe in it.

Someone really really wants to turn the European economy into this short term high growth long term who cares casino that the US has become.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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> Banning DJI drones in the US lets you build a factory in the US that can eventually get costs down. I anticipate exactly zero automated drone factories.

"automated factory" is somewhat redundant, no? The point is that most people who will buy a $700 Chinese drone will buy a $1000 US drone if that's all they can get. I am of the opinion that the US made a very serious mistake by opening up tariff-free trade with countries which do not have comparable labor and environmental safety laws. The Feds should have come up with reasonable estimates of what foreign manufacturi…

>The point is that most people who will buy a $700 Chinese drone will buy a $1000 US drone if that's all they can get.

In the consumer market, if the $1000 drone has a significantly worse user experience then people just won't buy it. Before DJI the consumer drone market was much smaller; by creating a cheap, high-quality product DJI caused more people to purchase drones, growing the market. If there's no competitive alternative the market will just shrink again; consumer drones aren't a necessity.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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As much as the idea of GDPR (and specifically cookie consent) is well intentioned, the actual laws themselves aren't great. Cookie consent is especially frustrating because it encourages the creators of the consent popups to use dark patterns to try and trick people into just accepting them.

Cookie consent only apply to non-necessary cookies. The laws are great because every cookie consent form is essentially saying, "we as a company want you to accept a cookie that is unnecessary." If you don't install unnecessary cookies, you don't need to have a consent form.

Do you think the official EU site uses unnecessary cookies? https://european-union.europa.eu/
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