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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by sofixa »

mpalmer wrote: post #96
sofixa wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> C-Series is "better" in large part because its favorable pricing was heavily subsidized by the Canadian government Just like Boeing gets billions in tax breaks, various aids and in theory extremely profitable if they weren't so damn incompetent military contracts? And no, it's better because it's more efficient. Over the lifetime of a plane it's purchase price is a tiny part of the total costs.

I think we share the same opinion on Boeing itself. But what is the difference between Boeing's advantage in the US vs Bombardier's in Canada?

Minimal (outside of the fact that a lot of the money given to Bombardier resulted in equity for Quebec and wasn't just handouts; but in terms of % of the whole program it's a wash).

Yet Canada isn't out there banning Boeing planes or asking for 300% tariffs on them for "unfair competition".

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

TylerE wrote: post #99
dangoor wrote: post #73

For people wonder how this got there, the blame goes to Rep. Elise Stefanik: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2864 That bill was tacked onto a big "must pass" defense authorization and may not have survived on its own. Here's an article with some speculation on why Stefanik introduced this bill: https://dronexl.co/2024/06/06/drone-industry-outrage-stefani...

What a shocker. One of the most worthless partisan blowhards in congressional history. She's Dick Cheney to MTG/Boeberts Dubya Bush.

The sicker thing to me is how she (like many) was actually relatively moderate until she completely hitched her wagon onto the Trump train. Another Profile in Cowardice. An overview: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/women-rule/2023/01/06/t...

All of these politicians who have these completely transactional relationships, I just find utterly gross. I mean, do they have any actual friends? For example, Trump completely disparaged Ted Cruz's wife and father in 2016, Cruz called Trump a "pathological liar" back then, only to do a total 180 and turn into another boot licker.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by tdhoot »

cratermoon wrote: post #122
prmoustache wrote: post #91

Who decided it is a good idea to pass brands / companies specific bills? If DJI is doing nasty things, prohibit the nasty things DJI doing in the law, not the brand. Then condemn DJI if needed. How do this law protect from any DJi competitor doing the same stuff (or even a spinoff company through a complex scheme)?

I wonder, though, could this be considered an unconstitutional bill of attainder? That's an act of a legislature declaring a person, or a group of people, guilty of some crime, and punishing them, without a trial. Article I, Section 9, iii: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed".

That's one of the arguments being made by TikTok in their challenge against the "TikTok ban" bill.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by FeistySkink »

dotBen wrote: post #175

I worry that this all removes the ability to have a sensible and legitimate conversation about DJI. Elise Stefanik can go fuck herself for all the reasons listed elsewhere, lets get that on the table. BUT we should be thoughtful, if not worried, about DJI. Here's a couple of reasons: 1) When the original Mavic Pro was released I showed mine to someone who had worked in US intelligence. His jaw dropped and said that b…

So Skydio?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by questhimay »

dangoor wrote: post #73

For people wonder how this got there, the blame goes to Rep. Elise Stefanik: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2864 That bill was tacked onto a big "must pass" defense authorization and may not have survived on its own. Here's an article with some speculation on why Stefanik introduced this bill: https://dronexl.co/2024/06/06/drone-industry-outrage-stefani...

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by _joel »

123yawaworht456 wrote: post #139
bluescrn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be thankful that consumer/hobbyist drones haven't been banned entirely already (banning other model aircraft along with them as collateral damage). Especially after all the footage of essentially-hobby-grade drones with familiar open-source flight controller software being turned into very effective weapons of war in Ukraine.

grenades are sold separately though.

"Batteries not included" just won't have the same ring again.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by dotBen »

FeistySkink wrote: post #184
dotBen wrote: post #175

I worry that this all removes the ability to have a sensible and legitimate conversation about DJI. Elise Stefanik can go fuck herself for all the reasons listed elsewhere, lets get that on the table. BUT we should be thoughtful, if not worried, about DJI. Here's a couple of reasons: 1) When the original Mavic Pro was released I showed mine to someone who had worked in US intelligence. His jaw dropped and said that b…

So Skydio?

Great for pro-use but they don't have hobby level products to compete with the DJI Mavic and Mini

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by acdha »

kotaKat wrote: post #168
KerrAvon wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you need a backgrounder on Stefanik, she got elected before Trump, decided she preferred staying in DC to her hometown, sold out her previously-stated principles almost immediately when she saw a chance to gain power, and is now doing as much damage to civil liberties as Nixon and McCarthy ever managed: https://theracket.news/p/stop-going-stefanik-committee-fools She doesn't care about whether the bill does so…

I'll add more as a NY21 local: I've never seen her. I've never heard from her locally. You can't fucking find Elise. It's all events in the past. There's never been a townhall up in this portion of her region. Bonus: Her husband is a lobbyist for a leading gun industry trade group. https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Stefanik-s-husband-K...

I’ll contrast that with people like Jamie Raskin. I’ve met him personally (briefly, but multiple times) because he shows up at random music festivals and civic events. It’s really not hard to tell when a politician is interested in public feedback.
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