Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

Post by PurpleRamen » Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 1:02 PM UTC

david-m-walter wrote: post #156

PurpleRamen wrote: post #123

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> the "progressive" shutdown of the nukes was a rather questionable move. Nuclear plants were shutdown by the conservatives. They decided this in 2011, when Fukushima happened, and executed it over the following decade while they were simultaneous derailing the switch to EV. A notable part here was that just months before Fukushima, they had already stopped the shutdown that previously was decided on. Only the remain…

This is simply not correct like this. The Green faction and the SPD had decided on the shutdown in 2002 when the "progressive" parties had the majority and conservatives where in the minorty. https://www.bundestag.de/webarchiv/textarchiv/2012/38640342_... More then 20 years ago the conservatives could already see that this would end in disaster and they resisted the change. Then fukushima happend and the media and pu…

The conservatives stopped the shutdown in 2010, and reinstated it in 2011. And they continued with the plan the whole following decade when they were in power. True, the original plan was from the progressives, but the conservatives had the power and executed it. They, too, decided on this, and they had the power to change it for a whole decade, and did nothing.

And the BS about a "disaster" never happened. There were no blackouts, and even the prices went down. All the problems of the money driven fearmongers never manifested, yet they continue to spread lies about the greens doing harm and the all so great (money wasting) atomic plants...

Post by lispm » Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 4:47 PM UTC

Herz wrote: post #160

lispm wrote: post #159

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> Do you have any data regarding uranium? https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2023/08/04/h... > https://www.dw.com/en/are-nigers-uranium-supplies-to-france-... "He added that some 90% of Niger's population has no electricity, and price exploitation means Niger today also receives too little income for its exports." https://reliefweb.int/report/niger/niger-uranium-blessing-or... "Instead, say local and int…

Reading what you wrote makes me feel a bit sympathetic. I can clearly see your illogical and blind fear in your reasoning. You don't care about renewable energy, despite all the data confirming that it has significant flaws as a technology. Your only concern is that there shouldn't be nuclear energy, regardless of how much it can reduce carbon emissions or how many lives it can save. For you, nuclear energy is inhere…

Unfortunately that's not a correct summary.

I care about renewable energy (for example for many years my electricity contract is from a local provider of 100% renewable energy).

Nuclear energy will save much less lives, than a rapid expansion of renewable energy, which is the only viable way to make a large impact on global CO2 emissions. I also think that Nuclear energy is inherently harmful in general, such that it best is avoided, especially given that it does not scale for the challenges ahead.

Here is a task for you: xy graph the following, on a time axis: share of nuclear powered electricity from the last 20 years and the yearly electricity production.

Then graph the yearly renewable energy installations and produced electricity over that period.

Then compare.

With a little math knowledge you can deduce that the situation to use nuclear energy for reducing CO2 worldwide is hopeless, renewable has been scaling much quicker and will accelerate even more in the current future.

The numbers you can collect are mostly facts and then you can find out for yourself which technology scales better. You would not fall victim to desinformation, if you collect reliable data and try to analyze it. There is only a little math needed.

Good luck!

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