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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by cesarb »

ralusek wrote: post #70

A few things to note here. 1.) DJI offers many drones related to infrastructure mapping and maintenance, as well as agricultural tasks. From a national security perspective, it is a non-trivial threat vector for a Chinese company to not only have intimate knowledge of US infrastructure by being their drone supplier, but also by becoming a dependency of US infrastructure. In the event of a war, all of the drones could…

> In the event of a war, all of the drones could be grounded or used for nefarious purposes.

That's only an issue if the drone somehow depends on an external Internet-based server, instead of just a plain radio link between the drone and its controller. The law should target that unnecessary dependency, if it exists, instead of banning even standalone drones.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by lawlessone »

glitchcrab wrote: post #106
arcanemachiner wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off the top of my head as a non-European: GDPR, 2-year warranties and other consumer protection laws

What an utterly ridiculous response. In your eyes, businesses should be able to run roughshod over the consumer? Yes, maybe the laws could have been more polished or have been implemented in a better way, but the underlying idea of protecting the consumer is the important takeaway from these laws.

>What an utterly ridiculous response.

To be fair to them, i think it was sarcasm.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by croes »

prmoustache wrote: post #91

Who decided it is a good idea to pass brands / companies specific bills? If DJI is doing nasty things, prohibit the nasty things DJI doing in the law, not the brand. Then condemn DJI if needed. How do this law protect from any DJi competitor doing the same stuff (or even a spinoff company through a complex scheme)?

If they ban nasty things as such they can't do them themselves anymore without breaking the law.

Not that they care.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by KerrAvon »

dangoor wrote: post #73

For people wonder how this got there, the blame goes to Rep. Elise Stefanik: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2864 That bill was tacked onto a big "must pass" defense authorization and may not have survived on its own. Here's an article with some speculation on why Stefanik introduced this bill: https://dronexl.co/2024/06/06/drone-industry-outrage-stefani...

And if you need a backgrounder on Stefanik, she got elected before Trump, decided she preferred staying in DC to her hometown, sold out her previously-stated principles almost immediately when she saw a chance to gain power, and is now doing as much damage to civil liberties as Nixon and McCarthy ever managed:

https://theracket.news/p/stop-going-stefanik-committee-fools

She doesn't care about whether the bill does something valid or even whether it survives legal challenges, as long she can use it to score political points. It's a real shame. Congresspeople are supposed to be servants beholden to the public good, not power-hungry sycophants who can't be bothered with the details of governance.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by chinchilla2020 »

Zealotux wrote: post #8

Naive question: what prevents Americans from simply buying Dji products in Canada? It's a physical product, so banning it like TikTok or big vehicles is impossible, or am I missing something?

Nothing.

But Canada is a long long distance for many Americans. America is pretty big and Canadian cities are sparse along the border.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by dang »

Related:

DJI Seems to Believe That It Is Possible Its Drones Will Be Banned - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40609973 - June 2024 (1 comment)

DJI might get banned next in the US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40171565 - April 2024 (81 comments)

In a first, FAA rescinds DJI drone's Remote ID compliance status - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36732256 - July 2023 (6 comments)

Pentagon Puts DJI on Blacklist - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33150567 - Oct 2022 (188 comments)

US will ban investment in 8 Chinese companies, including DJI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29566125 - Dec 2021 (10 comments)

GOP’s top FCC official calls for ban on DJI drone sales in US - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28951488 - Oct 2021 (1 comment)

FCC Official calls for ban on DJI drones - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28939517 - Oct 2021 (4 comments)

US Government adds DJI to commerce blacklist over ties to Chinese government - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25468406 - Dec 2020 (1 comment)

Drone firm DJI promises 'local data mode' to fend off US government's mooted ban - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24444443 - Sept 2020 (102 comments)

Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15820987 - Dec 2017 (72 comments)

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Side note on the current post: usually we downweight "bill goes through intermediate state change" stories because they tend to be follow-ups [1] rather than significant new information [2]. That is, the discussion tends to be substantively the same at each step. I've made an exception in this case because there (maybe) hasn't been too much discussion of this one so far.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by glitchcrab »

lawlessone wrote: post #112
glitchcrab wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What an utterly ridiculous response. In your eyes, businesses should be able to run roughshod over the consumer? Yes, maybe the laws could have been more polished or have been implemented in a better way, but the underlying idea of protecting the consumer is the important takeaway from these laws.

>What an utterly ridiculous response. To be fair to them, i think it was sarcasm.

You may well be right, or at least I hope you are anyway.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by Teever »

lupusreal wrote: post #97
Teever wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll what happens after the first public vigilante action against a corrupt cop who got a paid vacation instead of a jail sentence. But I think that the cat is out of the bag and that DRM will be the attempted solution to this kind stuff. It's going to go poorly though. What part can you regulate and control? Not the batteries or the motors, or the off the shelf microcontrollers.

They could put anybody who assembles those parts into a drone into prison. Of course it would still be technically feasible to make one anyway, just as it's technically feasible to make an autosear, or for that matter a whole gun. Doesn't mean it can't be banned.

If they weren't able to stop people from growing and distributing marijuana then I doubt they'll be able to stop this.
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