Nothing is going to save the failing empire and this is just another signpost on the road to it's demise.
DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you want to know why the US would have interest in limiting the growth of DJI look no further then Ukraine and the impact drones have on the war. The US wants to encourage domestic drone manufacturing by eliminating the largest Chinese manufacturer as an option.
> If you want to know why the US would have interest in limiting the growth of DJI look no further then Ukraine and the impact drones have on the war. How is banning DJI drones in the US going to affect how they're being used in the war in Ukraine? Or do you mean that banning them in the US will somehow stop them from being used against the US in the future?
It will force western r&d and production to ramp.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have Skydio for that. There is no profit in consumer-oriented drones. The money is in lower volume professional & semi-professional use drones. You cannot compete with China even if we annexed Mexico for cheap labor in order to manufacture high volume low profit drones.
I very much prefer my Skydio2 drone over any DJI product I've ever flown. Totally subjective experience. I got tired of fixing DJI drones.
Interesting, I have the opposite experience, mostly due to the camera/sensor quality.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Off the top of my head as a non-European: GDPR, 2-year warranties and other consumer protection laws
GDPR is really sensible legislation that largely only applies to companies who should be treating your personal data as sensitive data. I built a GDPR complaint system and was really happy about the security we put in place that we definitely wouldn’t have thought to do without these laws. Things like having someone you can ask and request personal data from at big companies is also an extremely well thought through…
Most people have no problem with the GDPR. It only seems otherwise on this forum and similar echo chambers / bubbles where lots of people made their fortunes with adtech.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#105DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...
Okay, but what will happen if US goes to war with China? This can happen much quicker and easier than you think. Some Chinese delusional leader is going to attack Taiwan and voila, all the import from China will immediately stop at that exact moment.
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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?
Off the top of my head as a non-European: GDPR, 2-year warranties and other consumer protection laws
What an utterly ridiculous response. In your eyes, businesses should be able to run roughshod over the consumer? Yes, maybe the laws could have been more polished or have been implemented in a better way, but the underlying idea of protecting the consumer is the important takeaway from these laws.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is exactly the problem. The military needs single-use drones in high volume, and the production capacity/scale for that can only exist if it's subsidized by the consumer industry. > You cannot compete with China even if we annexed Mexico for cheap labor in order to manufacture high volume low profit drones. DJI isn't making drones by hand, they have automated factories. But its only worth building an automated f…
> Banning DJI drones in the US lets you build a factory in the US that can eventually get costs down. I anticipate exactly zero automated drone factories.
"automated factory" is somewhat redundant, no?
The point is that most people who will buy a $700 Chinese drone will buy a $1000 US drone if that's all they can get.
I am of the opinion that the US made a very serious mistake by opening up tariff-free trade with countries which do not have comparable labor and environmental safety laws. The Feds should have come up with reasonable estimates of what foreign manufacturing was saving by cheating that way, and charged them that amount of money to sell products in the US. Factories which wanted to avoid those tariffs could pay for, and submit to, an independent audit of their factories.
Instead we decided that it was fine for US manufacturing to compete on an "even" basis with nations who are fine with laborers losing fingers and/or getting paid slave wages, and manufacturers dumping their waste stream into a nearby river. We've paid a severe price for that misguided egalitarianism, and it's time to change course.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#108So, anyone know what DJI is without googling first? Cuz this article doesn't say.
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have Skydio for that. There is no profit in consumer-oriented drones. The money is in lower volume professional & semi-professional use drones. You cannot compete with China even if we annexed Mexico for cheap labor in order to manufacture high volume low profit drones.
This is exactly the problem. The military needs single-use drones in high volume, and the production capacity/scale for that can only exist if it's subsidized by the consumer industry. > You cannot compete with China even if we annexed Mexico for cheap labor in order to manufacture high volume low profit drones. DJI isn't making drones by hand, they have automated factories. But its only worth building an automated f…
> The military needs single-use drones in high volume, and the production capacity/scale
But yet they have no trouble procuring single-use (by definition) artillery shells that cost an order of magnitude more and require even more production volume?
Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate
#110This is so misguided it's breathtaking. Even if one buys into the supposed "harm" it's apparently trying to address, by targeting a specific corporate entity the proposed legislation won't do anything meaningful toward those ends. But it will confuse the market and hurt U.S. hobbyist consumers while being largely unenforceable anyway. It's one of those things that's just so dumb you assume it's only congressional ele…
Whatever else you may think of the move ( I dislike it, because I dislike adding equivalent of riders to big bills like these ), it is surprisingly consistent with current wave of government actions ( recent placement of DeepCool on US sanctions list ). Things are happening and reading the political tea leaves makes one recognize current unmistakable trend as a the drums of war.