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Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…

It learned from reddit that cops aren't people.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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post #41

It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…

First off, Tesla 'self driving' isn't a self driving system. Read their letters to the California DMV and ignore their marketting, including their choice of names. Second, radar wouldn't be better here. Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed. Using radar, it's difficult to determine the height or shape of a potential…

> Using radar, it's difficult to determine the height or shape of a potential obstruction

Is is an wavelength/antenna sizing problem? Surely a radar could tell how tall/how high above ground an object is in principle.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not hallucination, that's image recognition issue.

How do you define the border between hallucination vs recognition issue?

I thought hallucination is when the model imagines something that isn't there at all. Not a classification issue where it misinterprets an object in the source data.

Sometimes it might be difficult to tell, but in the case of moon -> traffic light it seems clear.

Maybe I'm wrong about the terminology.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

#94

It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…

Right, but we are relying on what the 'driver said.' Anyone who has been involved in an accident knows the other driver will lie through their teeth to avoid responsibility.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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post #29

Self drive mode is fundamentally unsafe. This bullshit where companies are allowed to say “the driver must always be in control”, is just that. Either it is self driving, or it is not. You cannnot make a product that is physiologically impossible to use, and then say that fault lies with anything other than the product. This is before you get to it being labeled and advertised explicitly as literally “full self drivi…

In every one of these threads based on a Tesla crash, gallons of digital ink are spilled in regurgitated (though not untruthful) generalities. So I'll repeat mine:

1) FSD makes me a better driver. Without it, I'm (uselessly) more aggressive and on the gas because it feels good. With it, it's basically ego-less driving.

2) The headlines are dramatic, but what does the actual data say? Tesla has thousands of miles driven under "full self driving", is it actually more dangerous (in the quantity or severity of average or long-tail accidents)?

3) FSD is surely an improvement over impaired driving, however that is defined. Does this encourage impairment?

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