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Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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There are certainly companies whose cash flows were positive, but were driven into bankruptcy because the value of their assets crashed. We were trying to raise money for a fixed rate subprime mortgage company in 2007. They had remarkably good underwriting and very low defaults. But the value of their assets kept on plummeting, and they were forced to meet margin calls by their creditors. That firm no longer exists.…

One could make a reasonable argument that if their balance sheet was so tied up in sketchy mortgage assets that they were forced to meet margin calls when the market fell, then they weren't as solid as they seemed. Their problems started before they got in the car. I realize that there's a bit of begging-the-question here, but even so, if you've borrowed a ton of money and secured it with "assets" of questionable val…

The purpose of mark-to-market exceptions are to allow temporary price volatility not to drastically impact a firm's balance sheet. The FASB rule specifies that it's an acceptable practice to suspend mark-to-market in "fire sale" conditions.

But the real issue is the flawed risk ratings on the MBSs. If your asset is AAA then it really shouldn't matter whether you are marking it to market or not, as it's supposed to be quite liquid, by definition, as there is supposed to be extremely little risk that its price will fall.

The reason the MBSs weren't liquid is because the ratings were incorrect and the market knew that -- perverse incentives from ratings agencies had led to this, as had the widespread belief (taken as an assumption by many foolish risk-managers and codified into pricing formulae) that housing prices could not fall.

If the MBSs had been properly rated, then mark-to-market would not have caused the firms holding them on their books to become insolvent, as capital adequacy requirements are based on the riskiness of the assets.

So while mark-to-market may have sped up the failure of those firms, the firms were already weakened due to their treatment (thanks to bad ratings) of risky debt as AAA.

In fact, a few months before things got really bad the SEC sent out a memo advising that the fire-sale provisions of the FASB rule regarding mark-to-market were not to be used, a decision which suggests either that the SEC was OK with some firms failing in the near future (unlikely) or that it believed that the ratings were generally accurate (even more unlikely). I've been told by some Wall Street experts that everybody knew that the ratings were BS. Hence the SEC's decision to send the memo was probably just intended not to telegraph the possibility of a future problem to avoid spooking the market in hopes that the problem would go away.

A few things to note: The regulatory trend is moving toward BASEL II which relies heavily on both mark-to-market accounting and third party ratings agency ratings. So the big regulatory question is, how can the perverse incentives that arose and led to the inaccurate ratings of MBSs be restrained? So far everyone is talking about banning the trading of x, y, and z and of limiting bonus pay, executive salaries, etc., but nobody is talking about the actual concrete perverse incentives (pressure on ratings firms to issue inaccurate ratings) that fed the whole mess.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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This article is heavily biased, makes ridiculously exaggerated claims, and bends statistics to its will. The computer boom came about because of capital gains tax cuts, huh? What a joke.

No I'm sure it came about because of a tax increase!

(if taxes don't matter to investment decisions, then why not raise them to 99%?)

If you believe current taxes are right at the "sweet spot", why do you believe that?

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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China

Are you planning to invest in a lot of Chinese start-ups?

Don't underestimate the entrepreneurial spirit that is going on in China.

It's just political propaganda that China is oppressive and thwarts entrepreneurship. Sure there are some problems, but China's human rights issues are about on par with Gitmo.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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It's actually the deregulation of Washington that's suffocated entrepreneurship. Because there were/are no checks and balances on the large monoliths' ability to kill or absorb rivals, a lot of little entities have suffered. Washington always says it wants to do what is best for "business," but it rarely distinguishes big business from small. . . it doesn't get the correlation between size and efficiency. The hum-haw…

So the only reason small companies succeed is because Uncle Sam prevents them from being gobbled up by cruel larger firms who want to pay their founders lots of money? Hmm...

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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Small burdens are never directly visible. No entrepreneur thinks "If taxes were 5% lower, I'd start a startup." Instead, they think "If I had twice as much savings, I'd start a startup" without stopping to realize they're saving an amount equivalent to 5% of their taxes. In a similar vein, if my video game character gets -10% to speed (or +10%), I typically shrug it off as nothing, but it all too often is the differe…

In my philosophy class, there was something called the Heap Problem: "One grain of sand is not a heap. Adding a grain of sand to something that is not a heap will not make it a heap. By induction, then, heaps cannot exist." The conclusion, of course, is obviously false, because heaps of sand do exist. But you can't state at what point something that's not-a-heap becomes a heap. AFAIK, this was still an open question…

Thanks for making the connection!

A while ago, when thinking about the boundary between long and short, decided that the problem was that we use discrete labels for continuous phenomena.

I suppose this may be related to the Anchor Bias (http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/09/anchoring-and-a.html). Something that is not a heap, after a grain of sand is added, is still a heap. Something that is a heap, after a grain of sand is removed, is still a heap.

An interesting instance of this arose when determining how numbers are described in the Piraha language, a language with only three words for quantities. Seeing one battery, the Piraha called it "ho'i". When they added one more (a large increase percentage-wise), they immediately switched to another word, so therefore "ho'i" means "one." But when they started with ten batteries and started removing them, one of them started calling it "ho'i" at six batteries, so therefore "ho'i" really means "few." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language#Numerals_a...) I'd explain that as: when deciding whether to call something "few" or "many," they anchored off the initial judgement, and looked at the percentage change. So one politician could convince voters a 10% tax increase will have no effect by starting off "Well, what would a 0% increase do? How about 1%?", while another could convince them it would be devestating by starting off at 20%.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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What Sox has done is effectively limit entrepreneurs to non-ambitious projects. That's why you see bright ex-Google guys leaving to do projects which are essentially either copy-cats or mash-ups (hardly any true technology involved, except in few very promising cases). With M&A as the only exit available, the pay out for any employee other than perhaps the first-five isn't going to be a "home run". Thus there would b…

I haven't seen this happening directly. I haven't seen founders thinking "We can't go public, so we'd better build something small."

It could be happening via investors, though. It could be that e.g. Google decided to go for the big time partly because there was so much funding available in 1998, which in turn was true because investors were hoping for IPOs.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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post #30

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I suspect capital gains cuts did help. Founders are influenced by colleagues who've done startups, and what they see is the after-tax returns. And certainly big investors are influenced by tax rates on each class of investment.

This is anecdotal, but I've never heard someone say they would or wouldn't start a company because of the after-tax returns. Cuban talks about this point here: http://blogmaverick.com/2008/10/23/the-cure-to-our-economic-...

Of course not. After-tax returns influence them indirectly. Fellow grad student goes to work for a startup, ends up with a house vs merely a nice car.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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post #87

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This is anecdotal, but I've never heard someone say they would or wouldn't start a company because of the after-tax returns. Cuban talks about this point here: http://blogmaverick.com/2008/10/23/the-cure-to-our-economic-...

Of course not. After-tax returns influence them indirectly. Fellow grad student goes to work for a startup, ends up with a house vs merely a nice car.

Oh I guess I was thinking of the founders, not the employees.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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I know a CEO of an Internet company that planned on doing an IPO in 2008. Of course the economy tanked so it's not happening. He told me that SOX required the company to have auditing/traceability and controls for everything. This meant they quit using any software as a service applications, they shut down IM, they have to keep track of everything on every machine, banned a whole list of applications that would inter…

IPO's are for large profitable companies who want to add liquidity. There is a huge pool of companies and people that invest billions in companies without an IPO, but there is a lot of laws setup to protect small investors. Anyway, there is a lot of overhead to going public, but if you want liquidity without selling then you need transparency or some company's are going to do huge scams. PS: There are IM clients that…

"but there is a lot of laws setup to protect small investors"

Or to prevent them from investing in private companies without giving a piece to NY bankers? (Not implying you necessarily disagree)

Cray started illegally with small investors who all ended up making a lot of money. In the Midwest too! Good thing Washington isn't allowing that to happen again.

Re: Washington Is Killing Silicon Valley

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post #86
post #65

What Sox has done is effectively limit entrepreneurs to non-ambitious projects. That's why you see bright ex-Google guys leaving to do projects which are essentially either copy-cats or mash-ups (hardly any true technology involved, except in few very promising cases). With M&A as the only exit available, the pay out for any employee other than perhaps the first-five isn't going to be a "home run". Thus there would b…

I haven't seen this happening directly. I haven't seen founders thinking "We can't go public, so we'd better build something small." It could be happening via investors, though. It could be that e.g. Google decided to go for the big time partly because there was so much funding available in 1998, which in turn was true because investors were hoping for IPOs.

> I haven't seen this happening directly. I haven't seen founders thinking "We can't go public, so we'd better build something small."

You haven't seen them say it directly, but how many applications do you get that are for fairly ambitious and big projects? What percentage are front-end heavy web-apps/aggregators? What percentage are fairly ambitious and require a serious research, development and have a huge potential for growth? That's a question you may be able to answer better than anyone else (although I'd imagine most YC applicants are a self-selected crowd and those hoping for an exit other than M&A and to hire a great deal of talent may not even apply to YC).

I also didn't think about the investment angle at all. I wonder how much investors are pushing for companies to sell quickly vs. grow.

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