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Bouba/kiki effect

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Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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A friend of mine made a fun (upcoming) cooperative party game based on this:

- BGG: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/408945/boubakiki

- Kickstarter (Funded): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grandgamersguild/bouba-...

The cards in the game have nonsense words and illustrations. Players work through various scenarios where they try to agree about which nonsense words should go with which illustrations.

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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Fifteen years ago I went to a museum exhibit on Reggio Emilia teaching methods that I still think about once a week or so. (Reggio Emilia is similar to Montessori in that it is child-led exploration but different in that encourages multiple cross-modal forms of expression to aid comprehension.) The Reggio Emilia exhibit featured children performing a cross-modal exercise of drawing the sounds of various types of shoe…

I wonder if the ability diminishes in adults, or if adults are more inhibited and worried about looking foolish. Try the same experiment with adults after drinking alcohol!

If you take this picture and ask adults and kids which way the bus is traveling, kids get it right more often than adults

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-way-bus-going-why-adult...

Spoilers: adults prune information for more efficient processing and in doing so lose information

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if this is a reference to the game "Baba Is You", recently discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40689759 But that post did make me think of this effect, especially as another character in the game is named "Keke"

Reference goes the other way. The character names in Baba is You are explicitly references to this effect

I realize that, I more meant that I was wondering if the earlier post about the game reminded anyone else about this effect (hence its Wikipedia page being posted here one day later).

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Higher frequencies carry more energy, also every human has a sense of waveforms. It's called "sound". Tonality and sound differentiation are deeply important to speech as well as for recognizing animals. Then there's music, of course :) But I guess you were getting at some sort of synaesthesia? Indeed an interesting question how that is related. I was referring to waveforms because of the duality with sound

I think the surprising thing would be if the logic goes high frequency -> spiky waveform -> spiky shape, because that would imply that that particular representation of the sound is being used as part of the intuition. Which would be unusual, as it's not generally how people experience sound (for sure the opposite doesn't really occur: even someone very used to looking at waveforms will struggled to actually understa…

I dont know if this is true. For example sine waves, saws and square waves are very intuitive to me. I think with graphical representation of sound the problem is that the experience of complex sounds is a 3 dimensional thing to humans.

When we talk about music, layers or tracks or whatever you want to call them always become a thing.

For the sound nerds: A spectrum representation also does not reflect how we experience sound. We humans/animals are so trained or born to distinguish sound sources by timbre. A spectrum analyser splits it on the spectrum of tones, not the spectrum of timbres, therefor it's still not a good representation.

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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I have always thought this association is partly from some intuition we have about the mechanical and acoustic properties of hypothetical things that would have this shape. The shape with sharp, jagged edges would occur in real life if it were made of some hard material, perhaps, like glass, metal, etc. The shape with the soft, curvy lines would occur if it were made of something softer and possibly elastic. It doesn…

The effect is somehow also visible in the shapes of the letters, with ‘B’, ‘O’ ‘U’ being rounded and soft. The letters ‘K’ and ‘I’ are made of sharper shapes featuring triangles and lines. I wonder if letter designs were influenced by the sounds made by objects.

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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As an art teacher I use this effect to demonstrate how meaning in an image can be inate, as opposed to socially constructed. To demonstrate social construction I use an image of an arrow. To an Australian aborigini an arrow 'points' in the 'wrong' direction as it's directionality is derived from its semblance to a birds footprint.

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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The most we can say is that some languages (notably NOT mandarin Chinese with ~1 billion native speakers, so the idea that it's ingrained in all humans is laughable at best) have a preference for giving the long bou and boo sound to rounder objects and the shorter ki and ka sounds to sharper objects, and that language affects our naming preference.

Re: Bouba/kiki effect

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I have always thought this association is partly from some intuition we have about the mechanical and acoustic properties of hypothetical things that would have this shape. The shape with sharp, jagged edges would occur in real life if it were made of some hard material, perhaps, like glass, metal, etc. The shape with the soft, curvy lines would occur if it were made of something softer and possibly elastic. It doesn…

It seems to me that the world is replete with rounded, hard objects (eg stones) and soft, jagged objects (eg blades of grass)?
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