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Arguing that your 'champion' has ALWAYS been a liar — that argument does not mean what you think it means

>>don't appreciate how ideologically biased mainstream news media is,

"The liberal media" is the biggest lie ever. It may once have been the case, and while some still wear liberal clothes, 90% of the news media, including 'local' media, is owned and run by only SIX corporations. While some operations have unions, they are virtually powerless to even slow down massive newsroom layoffs, and the corporations that aren't flat-out right-wing yellow sheets (e.g., Fox, [0]), are nevertheless all-in on pro-'conservative' politics as both the corporations and their owners & leaders dislike being taxed at higher rates.

>> so are taken in by the change in how they choose to portray him.

Right, so all people are mere sheep being "taken in" by the evil news media, except for you... As you rant on in every more circular ways, that becomes less and less convincing, and in fact look far more like you are the one taken in by RW populist rags who flood the zone with lies and opinion designed to flatter your biases.

The fact is that your hero, who we agree always lied, initially delivered some really great advances, and initially had the reputation of an engineering wizard, has in more recent years failed to deliver on decades-old 'promises', and has shown himself publicly to be less of a master engineer and more of a master manipulator. His focus has obviously changed from engineering to social media nonsense.

I can see that from his own writings. I did not need any news media whatsoever to observe this. Many other people also can view this. Except for you.

Consider taking your own advice, stop reading the media, and start going to the actual source data.

And yes, providing many arguments that saying two opposite and mutually contradictory things in marketing vs actual operations is somehow OK, actually convinces us that no, it is systematic lying and definitely not OK. The marketing is fraudulent and the operations are proof of that.

[0] Fox, which settled for $787 million for repeatedly lying about elections, and literally argues in court that no reasonable person would believe their announcers)

> If you want to challenge that notion in court, be my guest.

I pointed out that it is, in fact, being challenged. Right now. And has already been several times before, with Tesla settling out of court specifically to prevent any repercussions from a guilty verdict.

If you wanted to talk about successful cases, then that should have been your argument. At this point, you’re just moving the goal posts.

>>I defend anyone against clearly agenda-driven attacks

Well, you have clearly massively misidentified my comment, from the start to the last comment.

I have no conspiracy theory or agenda. I simply observed, over time, from Musk's and Tesla's OWN STATEMENTS that he and Tesla insist that "Full Self Driving" is a legitimate claim (despite failing to prove it in court and settling to avoid a verdict) and that this is in contrast to the requirement that the driver be '100% in control at all times'.

One of those is a plain language lie. It does not require a conspiracy theory or agenda to point this out.

Yet you are more clearly pursuing your own agenda and conspiracy theories.

I've many times defended Musk on here, but no longer do as I have more information.

In contrast, you just posted this conspiracy theory:

>>like the coincidence of public opinion ... Tesla hit sales records precisely before and during the period when the mainstream/establishment turned on him.

This is not evidence, it is a theory that there is a conspiracy against Musk. Your claim is that it is not real people, but some cabal of unionized journalists (btw, only about 17% of journalists are unionized) that conspired to print lies to turn people against Musk.

You overlook entirely the most likely explanation, which is that Musk's own statements, often designed to be outrageous, speak for themselves.

Musk obviously chose his side and insists on being extremely blatant about it. I've never seen a CEO tell everyone to "Go fuck yourselves" on a public stage, or most of the other blatantly attention-seeking comments Musk has made.

The fact is that Tesla's primary customers are environmentally-conscious, which goes with more left-leaning politics, yet Muck choose the right-wing side, who typically deny climate change issues and hate electric cars.

He can have his opinions, but as he's not a politician, it was an extremely stupid business move to broadcast them so strongly. Or, maybe it's brilliant and he'll sell more Cybertrucks the more truck-driving RW customers than he'd ever sell Model-Xs to LW customers. But it does not look like it's working out that way.

But zero of this requires a conspiracy of the 1/6 of journalists who are unionized.

And it's laughable to accuse me of being media-agenda driven when I haven't lived in a household with a cable subscription for 2+ decades, and I treat all news media with great suspicion and work hard to find more accurate sources. While I've defended Musk on HN for his innovations at SpaceX, I also noticed that his executives have said that they have a team dedicated to handling Musk, creating a bubble around him to insulate the organization from his toxicly disruptive influence. There are thousands of other examples.

As the famous quote goes: "When the facts change, I change my mind; what do you do?"

If the misimpression created by the marketing term is corrected by the explicit and repeated warnings and instructions given to Tesla drivers, then the marketing term cannot be blamed for inattentive driving.

>This is not evidence, it is a theory that there is a conspiracy against Musk.

The coincidence is the evidence here.

>The fact is that Tesla's primary customers are environmentally-conscious, which goes with more left-leaning politics, yet Muck choose the right-wing side, who typically deny climate change issues and hate electric cars.

So you are, in fact, supporting my point, which is that the attacks on him intensified due to the political views he expressed.

Like I said:

"Both Musk and Tesla are far from perfect, but the lengths that people go to to attack them is obviously agenda-driven and a result of emotions"

Trying to blame Autopilot accidents on Tesla instead of inattentive drivers is example of that.

>btw, only about 17% of journalists are unionized

Which major newspapers and TV networks in the US are not unionized?

>He can have his opinions, but as he's not a politician

In a democracy, everyone is supposed to express their political opinions.