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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by Dalewyn »

bognition wrote: post #13
snowwrestler wrote: post #2

Over a decade ago, a ton of tech companies (including Google) coordinated a “blackout the Internet” day of protest against U.S. legislation that would have required them to alter DNS to fight piracy. Interesting that now that France actually does it, they say they will comply. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PI...

In the last decade Tech has become part of the establishment. They are one of the dominant controlling forces. The blackout was _not_ about preserving free speech, or any other moral high road. It was purely about control. Tech hadn’t yet cemented their position as a dominant player and didn’t want to cede the control they had. Now that they’ve embedded themselves in the ruling class they don’t care as much because t…

There's also the nuance that while SOPA/PIPA were bills being legislated for potential passage, France is citing laws already in effect.

For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by Dalewyn »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #15

Is there some decentralized anti-censorship technology that can prevent this type of action, where ISPs and DNS providers and other points of centralization are forced to implement things on behalf of other parties (like Canal+ or a government)?

No.

No matter how decentralized something is, ultimately you need to have a server and cables connecting it to the internet located somewhere. That somewhere will be within some legal entity or sovereign's jurisdiction which you must answer to and comply with.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by redox99 »

kmeisthax wrote: post #17
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #15

Is there some decentralized anti-censorship technology that can prevent this type of action, where ISPs and DNS providers and other points of centralization are forced to implement things on behalf of other parties (like Canal+ or a government)?

Decentralized and global consensus are contradictory properties, in order to have an otherwise arbitrary ASCII string resolve to a particular machine EVERYWHERE, you need a central authority to say who's who. If you just want to prevent other central authorities (e.g. France) from barging in on the existing central authorities your computer expects to get answers from (e.g. ICANN, Verisign etc) there are plenty of pr…

> Decentralized and global consensus are contradictory properties

That's literally what blockchain solves. ENS (Ethereum Naming Service) already does this.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by dmitrygr »

anymouse123456 wrote: post #18
steelbrain wrote: post #4

The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?

Same concern here. Also, the phrasing in both, but especially the HN title made me think Cloudflare chose to do something, but it turns out the French court is forcing all of them.

They could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by Anunayj »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #15

Is there some decentralized anti-censorship technology that can prevent this type of action, where ISPs and DNS providers and other points of centralization are forced to implement things on behalf of other parties (like Canal+ or a government)?

Well there are a couple of ways one can do this!

1. Recursively lookup DNS, so domains will have to be blocked at the registrar level, since DNS is unencrypted, it can be blocked at ISP level as well.

2. Use a protocol alternative to DNS, a good mature example is GNS. It aims to replace DNS, with a built from group up, modernish protocol. Using a DHT and public-key cryptography.

3. There are "block chain" solutions to the whole domain problem, look at Handshake, ENS etc.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

snowwrestler wrote: post #2

Over a decade ago, a ton of tech companies (including Google) coordinated a “blackout the Internet” day of protest against U.S. legislation that would have required them to alter DNS to fight piracy. Interesting that now that France actually does it, they say they will comply. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PI...

Same with tech and China. They fold like paper without any protest:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce...

  Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it. And the digital keys that unlock information on those computers are stored in the data centers they’re meant to secure.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by lm411 »

flawn wrote: post #3

Total non-sense - just pushes people to use VPN or their own custom DNS which tunnels back to 1.1.1.1 or whatever.

Or just footybite.cc will become footybite1.cc, then footybite2.cc... so on. The people writing these laws are seemingly clueless about the internet. Or perhaps, the lawyers just don't care as they are getting paid.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by jedberg »

steelbrain wrote: post #4

The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?

Probably because HN limits titles to 80 characters, so OP had to choose one to get under the limit.
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