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Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by toast0 »

mikewarot wrote: post #22

It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…

First off, Tesla 'self driving' isn't a self driving system. Read their letters to the California DMV and ignore their marketting, including their choice of names.

Second, radar wouldn't be better here. Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed. Using radar, it's difficult to determine the height or shape of a potential obstruction, so a car on the road looks a lot like a metal sign above the roadway.

Lidar is much better, but cost prohibitive to put onto vehicles for driver assistance. A camera system could possibly detect stationary objects of concern, but apparently doesn't.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by t0mas88 »

ein0p wrote: post #24

One of those situations where it’d be advisable to examine the recorded telemetry. Prediction: the car wasn’t in self driving mode and the owner just wanted a get out of the jail free card. This happened several times in the past.

Sure, but you can't trust Tesla on that and they're the only ones that have the data.

If Tesla claims next week "it wasn't self driving at the time of the crash" that doesn't tell you anything. Because they will claim that even if the car self drove right into the police car but disengaged self driving mode 0.1 seconds before the crash.

Their CEO is a pathological liar that will say anything to make the stock price go up.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by ein0p »

t0mas88 wrote: post #42
ein0p wrote: post #24

One of those situations where it’d be advisable to examine the recorded telemetry. Prediction: the car wasn’t in self driving mode and the owner just wanted a get out of the jail free card. This happened several times in the past.

Sure, but you can't trust Tesla on that and they're the only ones that have the data. If Tesla claims next week "it wasn't self driving at the time of the crash" that doesn't tell you anything. Because they will claim that even if the car self drove right into the police car but disengaged self driving mode 0.1 seconds before the crash. Their CEO is a pathological liar that will say anything to make the stock price g…

Not the only ones. I’m sure the court will have access to it, too. That data is there for this exact reason. Lying about this would be pretty devastating for Tesla and easy to prove through in-cabin video recording

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by eurleif »

kjfbxca wrote: post #39

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This article reads like it generated by an LLM, and its source looks like similar junk content, claiming for example that Tesla "operates on an operating system built on the Python programming language" -- if there is a human author, that author definitely doesn't know what an operating system is. I can find no reputable source making the same claim, and in fact, Elon Musk referred to ">300k lines of C++ code" in a previous version of FSD.[0]

Meanwhile, your account is less than an hour old, and you seem to have made it just for this comment. Are you sure you're not just trying to help this content farm-looking blog gain search engine ranking by shoehorning it into this thread?

[0] https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1686513363495346178

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by gamblor956 »

toast0 wrote: post #41
mikewarot wrote: post #22

It boggles my mind that any self driving system would knowingly drive into any object, no matter what it is, as large as a police car. I'd be willing to bet that Elon's insistence on only using cameras is combining with the flashing lights to effectively make objects that appear in some frames of video, and not in others, as the camera recovers from the flash... and this makes it appear as noise, and below a certain…

First off, Tesla 'self driving' isn't a self driving system. Read their letters to the California DMV and ignore their marketting, including their choice of names. Second, radar wouldn't be better here. Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed. Using radar, it's difficult to determine the height or shape of a potential…

Afaik, all of the radar assisted cruise control / emergency braking systems ignore stationary objects when travelling above a certain speed.

This is false. Radar assisted cruise control definitely do not ignore stationary objects above a certain speed; indeed, detecting stationary objects is a fundamental part of how emergency braking systems work...

Other automakers are simply better at determining what objects are in the path of travel than Tesla, because they actually test their systems before they release them to the public.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by t0mas88 »

olliej wrote: post #35
olliej wrote: post #29

Self drive mode is fundamentally unsafe. This bullshit where companies are allowed to say “the driver must always be in control”, is just that. Either it is self driving, or it is not. You cannnot make a product that is physiologically impossible to use, and then say that fault lies with anything other than the product. This is before you get to it being labeled and advertised explicitly as literally “full self drivi…

To clarify on the physiologically impossible bit: 1. The NTSB and FAA both found repeatedly, as have pretty much every other study - academic or otherwise - that people _cannot_ focus on watching a task without actually being involved in or doing the task. Any "self driving" model that requires the non-operator to be engaged in driving is simply not humanly possible. So the only reason for that stated rule is the man…

Aircraft autopilot flight is much more like cruise control in a car. The pilot flying is actively monitoring instruments and adjusting settings to make the autopilot do what's needed. Not playing games on their phone.

Especially in the terminal area there is no such thing as the autopilot flying the plane with no pilot involvement. There are heading, speed and altitude adjustments as input to the autopilot just like a car driver would be actively involved when driving with normal cruise control.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by _moof »

acchow wrote: post #44

> “ It was unclear if the driver would be cited.” They admitted to being on their phone. This is an easy choice

In aircraft, legal liability is unaffected by whether the autopilot is on; the pilot in command is responsible no matter what. I see no reason for cars to be any different.

Re: Tesla in self-drive mode slams into police car in Orange County

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Post by JamesBell »

t0mas88 wrote: post #42
ein0p wrote: post #24

One of those situations where it’d be advisable to examine the recorded telemetry. Prediction: the car wasn’t in self driving mode and the owner just wanted a get out of the jail free card. This happened several times in the past.

Sure, but you can't trust Tesla on that and they're the only ones that have the data. If Tesla claims next week "it wasn't self driving at the time of the crash" that doesn't tell you anything. Because they will claim that even if the car self drove right into the police car but disengaged self driving mode 0.1 seconds before the crash. Their CEO is a pathological liar that will say anything to make the stock price g…

Are you saying there are CEOs who won't lie to make their stock price go up?

Because I have not seen them.

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