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'The big problem is water': UK ebike owners plagued by failing motors

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Re: 'The big problem is water': UK ebike owners plagued by failing motors

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Friend of mine has a e-bike from cowboy. The thing is 8 years old and has rust and other forms of oxidation on all kinds of places.

Meanwhile my 20 year old koga miyata bike (which I also used for 10 years for my commute in all kinds of weather) has no sign of rust anywhere.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the same bikes magically not fail and have cheaper replacement motors in the fabled Dutch paradise?

As someone living in London and travelling to The Netherlands on a regular basis (intending to migrate), I have to say, pretty much everything from public transport to supermarket design seems of a much, much higher standard than its British equivalent. Further to that, it generally feels as though the UK is a country massively in decline and this transcends down to the quality of goods which we pass as acceptable. T…

> Further to that, it generally feels as though the UK is a country massively in decline

To a large extent it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. People expect decline so it happens. It has been happening for a long time - back to the 1960s or so when the UK became the only only country ever (still true) to have a space launch capability and lose it.

That said, IMO the causes of this are widespread across the west. It is evident in the US, and the drift away from competitive free markets, the rise of culture war politics, short termism is business and politics, naivety about the rest of the world (disastrously reflected in foreign policy - Russia being the obvious example) and so on seem to be spreading.

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#24

Somehow this is not a big deal across the Channel in the Netherlands. Yet another case of the British not learning from the Dutch?

The Dutch benefit from nice flat terrain, so less need for power assistance.

But they have higher average wind speeds, and headwinds can slow you down as much as hills.

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#25
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come? Article doesn't seem to mention that. That Cube bike for 5k ain't British producer, manufacturer is german.

Cube is not a very popular brand of ebikes in the Netherlands as far as I'm aware. Definitely not for city bicycles. Gazelle, Batavus, Cortina, Vogue, Azor, but Cube? Not so much.

The article says many other brands have the same problem though.

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I’ve been doing a bit of (non e-bike) riding in poor weather of late, and it’s really surprising just how wet and dirty everything gets. After a wet road ride, every surface is covered in black, greasy dirt. It rots fabric, makes grinding paste in mechanical parts and generally makes everything worse. You need really good seals to keep that crap out.

Do you have full mudguards/fenders?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone living in London and travelling to The Netherlands on a regular basis (intending to migrate), I have to say, pretty much everything from public transport to supermarket design seems of a much, much higher standard than its British equivalent. Further to that, it generally feels as though the UK is a country massively in decline and this transcends down to the quality of goods which we pass as acceptable. T…

I was born in England, live in London, have a Dutch partner, and also travel to the Netherlands often enough. I agree completely. They have their problems too (from the political to having to tap out on buses), but the overall level of quality and care seems rather higher. The sense of decline and disengagement is strong too. Difficult to say much objective about that (though keep an eye on the turnout in the upcomin…

Yeah I agree that it is hard to be entirely objective on something as subjective as sense of decline — lord knows I’ve spoken to Dutch natives whom hold an opinion that the country is ‘not what it used to be’. I do get a feel that people, generally, seem less embroiled in a race to the bottom than we do in the UK.

It feels that people in UK have been ground down to a point of ‘ah well, it’s all f*cked and always will be now’ and, as such, people accept things like a £5k bicycle failing multiple times within 2 years.

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#28
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Re: 'The big problem is water': UK ebike owners plagued by failing motors

#30

Somehow this is not a big deal across the Channel in the Netherlands. Yet another case of the British not learning from the Dutch?

Probably because the Netherlands doesn’t have as much rain, off road and mountains as Wales?

From the article.

> The problem appears to mainly affect those riding mountain bikes in all weathers, particularly in Wales and the UK’s other wettest areas, because they are not sealed properly against water ingress.

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