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Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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What is "enterprise value" and how does he come up with 43B?

It's basically market cap plus the debt, minus the cash. So $57 billion minus $14 billion in cash. Try to think of it as the actual amount somebody would loose from pocket while buying Facebook. While they will pay $57 billion, they will get $14 billion cash from Facebook, effectively spending $43 billion.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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What if the stock now bounces back? Nobody can deny that the company is generating some solid revenues with lots of potential. Investors might think this is really low valuation and we might see surge in buying. (Disclaimer: I do not own FB stock and this is just my speculation)

I will deny that the company is generating solid revenues with lots of potential.

I don't see a lot of potential in Facebook. They're just another rung on the ladder of social network churn, and luck may have played strongly into that.

Facebook is generating revenue, but nothing I would consider 'solid' for a company with a ~85 billion market cap.

The company is incredibly overvalued, and time will show that to be the case.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

#23
This is deceptive. The entire reason the late stage guys invested in higher valuations is because the early stage guys convinced them it was worth more.

You can't say before the IPO that the company is worth 75 B or 100B and then after the fact say it's their fault for investing at those valuations. That destroys the integrity of the silicon valley investment environment.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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post #23

This is deceptive. The entire reason the late stage guys invested in higher valuations is because the early stage guys convinced them it was worth more. You can't say before the IPO that the company is worth 75 B or 100B and then after the fact say it's their fault for investing at those valuations. That destroys the integrity of the silicon valley investment environment.

The secondary market valuations were also predicated on the assumption that there was nothing very special to what Google were doing in online advertising and similar models could be applied to other high-visitor brands.

There is now some rethinking of that assumption as more financial information from these brands is made public.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

#25

Investors will become more conservative and seek better deals for themselves. I don't think it's anything to do with Facebook. Facebook might just be the excuse they're looking for. My unsolicited advice to all startups is to put your energy into the things which matter. Debating 3-6% more/less dilution with investors is not a good place to be investing your time and energy. I suspect the companies who go into this b…

Negotiating with investors is somewhat like negotiating your salary after a job offer. The per hour ROI can be insane, but you need alternatives before you have real leverage and you want some deal to go though even if it's not with them.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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From the article: "That means that Facebook's enterprise value is greater than 10x current revenue run rate and greater than 25x EBITDA. These are big multiples folks. I am happy to take those numbers for any company out there."

The bigger those multiples are, the more "overpriced" a company is, so it should actually be less attractive of an investment.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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post #28

From the article: "That means that Facebook's enterprise value is greater than 10x current revenue run rate and greater than 25x EBITDA. These are big multiples folks. I am happy to take those numbers for any company out there." The bigger those multiples are, the more "overpriced" a company is, so it should actually be less attractive of an investment.

The bigger those multiples are, the more "overpriced" a company is, so it should actually be less attractive of an investment.

Right. The OP is considering the situation as a seller, not a buyer. He would be overjoyed if everything he sells is overpriced similarly.

Re: Fred Wilson's response to "Paul Graham's Letter to YC Companies"

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From what I understand, Facebook's main problem is a lack of a stable income source. It's becoming more and more apparent that advertising is not going to be the panacea that it was thought to be, what with numerous studies showing poor facebook ad performance and companies like GM pulling their facebook ad campaigns altogether. Sure, they booked $1B last quarter, but annualizing that number requires some confidence…

As much as I think FB's valuation was high, they have the advantage of having a Product That People Really Want. This means that they have a lot of room to adjust their business model (so long as they don't screw up the UX/product while at it).

Contrast this with GroupOn, whose product IS the business model...

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