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Group chats rule the world

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Re: Group chats rule the world

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> This left me wondering if there is enough demand for smaller social networks with very limited visibility that can foster rich and insightful discussions (although this sounds like forums from the nineties). And if it's possible to keep the sales people away, or at least invite-only. You can't keep sales people a.k.a phonies away it will always happen. Every underground subculture gets appropriated as soon as even…

Your comment reminds me of the video "All My Homies Hate Skrillex - A Story About What Happened with Dubstep (Reupload)". It's a rant about how the original Dubstep was created and developed from the passion and use of a minimalistic approach in the underground London club scene. Then it became the mainstream phenomenon, and people who didn't care about the original ideas got all the population and credit. [0] https:…

I approve. I've had this conversation over and over on what.cd back in the day.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war

We can even get a little more meta and observe how this type of essay itself goes through the very same process and you end up with:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9IucBIoCzc0

It always happens, without fail, for every genre and subculture. We can only embrace the ephemeral.

Re: Group chats rule the world

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HN doesn’t have direct/private messaging. There is no expectation of privacy in public comments. Systems designed around direct messaging that don’t have e2ee should not be used; otherwise you normalize surveillance.

I would expect a public chat with 1k+ users to be considered public. Even when E2E encrypted, it just takes one person out of those 1k to leak the whole content - so what's the point? I too advocate for privacy, but for public discussions E2E encryption would make sense only as a mean of certification (person holding the key really wrote the message)

It’s not the groupchat; it’s the DMs that occur in parallel. Telegram would be fine without e2ee if it had no DMs.

Re: Group chats rule the world

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Who thinks a mall is a fun place to hang out at? People go to malls because it's convenient to have everything you need for shopping at one place, and there's some shitty food for in between. In the US teenagers teenagers hang out at malls, but that's only because cities and communities don't give a shit about building inclusive places for all people to spend time without needing to spend money.

> Who thinks a mall is a fun place to hang out at? Indeed. If malls were fun, why are they all being abandoned and closed down due to a lack of foot traffic?

Okay this business model doesn't work anymore, but it used to.

Re: Group chats rule the world

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We are far too many: > members forever without decreasing quality. Over time, the group decays in quality and I often find groups with >100 members unsustainable. Though there could be a decently small group chat for sufficiently ancient users.

We could do cohorts by hashing user uds and bucketing.

Good idea!

Re: Group chats rule the world

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I would expect a public chat with 1k+ users to be considered public. Even when E2E encrypted, it just takes one person out of those 1k to leak the whole content - so what's the point? I too advocate for privacy, but for public discussions E2E encryption would make sense only as a mean of certification (person holding the key really wrote the message)

It’s not the groupchat; it’s the DMs that occur in parallel. Telegram would be fine without e2ee if it had no DMs.

Or if the "DMs" were encrypted by default.

Re: Group chats rule the world

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> This left me wondering if there is enough demand for smaller social networks with very limited visibility that can foster rich and insightful discussions (although this sounds like forums from the nineties). And if it's possible to keep the sales people away, or at least invite-only. It's probably not quite as exclusive as you're imagining (certainly not as much as your 256 max 'CTOs 1'), but we're kind of in one a…

I'm solving this in my social network by requiring karma from other networks before someone can post

How does this solve the problem?

Re: Group chats rule the world

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> AI trends started in group chats what? the current LLM tech is a product of 50+ years of NLP and ML research... it didnt just pop out of group chats somewhere

25 years ago I started coding chatbots to manage a Dragon ball Z IRC channel. Many AI trends started in group chats, yes

Re: Group chats rule the world

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I don't understand why some people hate third-party private businesses so much on the internet. I mean, people often have conversations in coffee shops, such as Starbucks. Starbucks is a third-party private business that only exists if it somehow can make money off of you. I am pretty sure it also does "nebulous stuff" with the data it gets off me - it has my credit card after all, and I am sure it runs all the analy…

Well, coffee shops and restaurants haven't quite figured out how to manipulate customers for maximum profit like social media has. They might play fast music to get people to eat quicker or put some pricey items on the menu to make everything else seem cheaper. But they haven't gone as far as placing MLM sellers next to lonely customers to pitch sales and making them come to the shop every week, or causing couples to…

> causing couples to break up so one starts drinking a lot out of stress and brings short-term profit.

The local pub may be doing this, however.

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