Erm...But that's not what is written in the article though?
Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#112I wonder if MKBHD's podcast discussing the feature is the cause of the backlash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg8uJXSRhKo. I think they do a fairly good job talking about the pros/cons of the feature. It definitely seems insane that raw screenshots would just be accessible on the device.
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#113This is confusing and vague to me, which I believe is exactly the intent. It focuses on security, reiterates that security is their top priority (and we know that this is untrue). What were the security problems? They don't even allude to the existence or detection of any specific security problems. It sounds to me like they're figuring out a new marketing approach, or they're softening the blow by "listening to user…
Currently I am still looking forward to when the Secure Future Initiative (SFI) will actually mean more .NET and Rust and less COM and C++ love by Windows team.
So until this changes, take with a grain of salt how much secure Recall is actually going to be.
Contrast this with Apple Inteligence, where not only are most local APIs made available via Swift, they have created special hardware and a unikernel like OS with sandboxed layers, exposing only what OS capabilities required for AI processing and cluster communication.
Versus "Thrust us, we are going to do the right thing".
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#114I don’t understand how the gap was so large between them saying this data was encrypted/protected and people easily being able to get the raw data. I know once you’re on someone’s machine in a way all bets are off, but it feels like this should have had far greater security attached to it. It doesn’t seem to even match their promises. Couldn’t this have been seen a mile away?
I know microsoft has crap security, but in this case they probably aren't lying about it being encrypted. Encryption for storage simply isn't a solution that most people need for security of data on their devices. It pretty much only protects against the threat of a device being stolen, and that simply isn't the way most people lose their data. Almost every virus runs as the main user of the PC, so almost every virus…
macOS and iOS have later rolled out methods of data containerization on top of existing file systems. Microsoft certainly has the talent to do this as well. They shouldn’t have shipped a product without the necessary requirements in place - it’s quite obvious the sensitivity of this data.
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#115Recall uses local AI models built into Windows 11 to screenshot mostly everything you see or do on your computer and then give you the ability to search and retrieve items you’ve seen. An explorable timeline lets you scroll through these snapshots to look back on what you did on a particular day on your PC. Everything in Recall is designed to remain local and private on-device, so no data is used to train Microsoft’s…
Newer Apple Intelligence features will require 16gb ram and new M-series chips to run on-device. How is Microsoft able to release wide-spread features on device when there is a much diverse ecosystem of lower-powered, low-cost, windows devices??
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#116This is what happens when a 3 trillion dollar company moves fast and breaks things
It doesnt help that M$'s reputation is awful.
How many different ad screens are on windows 11? How many privacy things did I need to check or uncheck for privacy? Why did the ads come back after I disabled it? Why did onedrive takeover my documents?
Microsoft isnt trustworthy.
I have begun my migration away. I only use Microsoft for programs my customers use. MSTeams(webapp isnt good enough for high stakes b2b), and Windows for a specific niche application.
Everything Microsoft says is met with an anti-consumer lens. They earned it.
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#117This is only the beginning of AI-centric offerings that were oversold and will be delayed or quietly abandoned. LLMs are nice for simple things, but they’ve already reached their limits. No amount of data will solve the iteration and complexity problems.
Every month I am in meetings where LLMs are being considered for applications they are absolutely not the right fit, but the answer to my concerns is "we need more AI advocates". These conversations are led by people who never actually read a single paper on LLMs or tried them in real life. They have no idea about risks, but plough on because their clueless bosses told them to come up with a plan to use AI.
I remain very skeptical that most companies or products can or should integrate with LLMs - and I say this as someone who works on a LLM-based product!
Overall I feel like our industry has lost the plot to a large degree. Hype has always to some degree exceeded the merits of the technology-of-the-month, but the last few cycles have been truly extraordinary in terms of the gap between the breathless hype and the reality of the tech. It's LLMs now but before it was crypto.
It just seems like we're stagnating as an industry, and rather focus our efforts on the hard R&D needed to reach the next Big Thing, we've decided it's much easier just to focus on cults of personality combined with vast over-hypedness.
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#118What a dumb feature. They had to get all that backlash to understand why everyone wouldn't want it. Is someone at Microsoft taking crazy pills to think consumers would be into that? They pulled the exact same shit 11 years ago when they launched the Xbox One as a "home media center" instead of a gaming console and it came with mandatory always-on internet connection, disc games DRM tied to a single console unable to…
Lets be honest, if Apple did it, it would be hailed revolutionary.
Different customer base.
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#119In summary: the only customers that matter --corporations paying site licenses-- declared this to be an unacceptable business risk. Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.
> Anyone who is still using windows in 2024 and isnt a multinational business or llc gets what they deserve.
Yeah, enjoy your just desserts of games that work, HDR that works, variable refresh rates that work, sleep and wake that works, the ability to run the software you need to use, one of the best IDEs available, fantastic backwards compatibility, etc
Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).
TPM was met with resistance due to privacy concerns and Microsoft quietly re-introduced it anyway. The same will happen to Recall.
It's the same playbook every company uses, who want to feed us something we don't like. They'll try again and again. Maybe they'll add sugar to the medicine, maybe they'll wave the spoon around and make airplane noises, maybe they'll distract us with a toy and jam the spoon in when we aren't expecting it, maybe they'll hold us down and give it as a suppository. One way or another, the baby is going to take the medicine. That's how these companies think about their customers.