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Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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What social crisis is this that you're on about?

The major one in the west seems to be about the inability of young people to afford a home; which causes obvious issues in building up community when you're not permanently placed in any specific neighborhood (e.g. the real social net benefits for an individual of locally volunteering can take years to generate significant return)

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Someone pointed out in a similar discussion: "It's not the phone itself that they issue, it's the content." Yesterday there was a debate locally about screen time, both for adults and children, and how much is to much. It's always about the phone, the iPad or the TV, never about the content. At this point I'm leaning more towards, well, we tried social media, streaming, online gaming and funny meme site and our monke…

There's a grain of truth to this, but it's all mired together. The medium (the phone) is the message (content).

The form factor (in-pocket), connectivity (streaming content), and economic drivers (attention economy), all fundamentally bias smartphones toward the kind of poisonous content our brains can't deal with.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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post #33

Someone pointed out in a similar discussion: "It's not the phone itself that they issue, it's the content." Yesterday there was a debate locally about screen time, both for adults and children, and how much is to much. It's always about the phone, the iPad or the TV, never about the content. At this point I'm leaning more towards, well, we tried social media, streaming, online gaming and funny meme site and our monke…

There's a grain of truth to this, but it's all mired together. The medium (the phone) is the message (content). The form factor (in-pocket), connectivity (streaming content), and economic drivers (attention economy), all fundamentally bias smartphones toward the kind of poisonous content our brains can't deal with.

This is correct. If imagine if all you had was a desktop which was shut down between sessions. Just needing to walk to a different room, boot up your desktop, and sign in -- a minor ~1 minute of inconvenience would prevent much of this compulsive using. When the barriers are low enough, people cannot help themselves.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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After what happened with Adobe, Microsoft and Sonos this past week, I have decided to try limit my use of American products. Don’t get me wrong, I love the USA - I have tonnes of family there and I have met some super nice people on my months long holidays there too… But. There is just too much poison coming out of Silicon Valley in my view. Awful choices in pursuit of our personal information, ‘Recall’ demonstrates…

It's called late stage capitalism and the scary thing is I think we still have a way to go. Check out the explosion of PE into our healthcare system recently if you really want to feel some goosebumps.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Someone pointed out in a similar discussion: "It's not the phone itself that they issue, it's the content." Yesterday there was a debate locally about screen time, both for adults and children, and how much is to much. It's always about the phone, the iPad or the TV, never about the content. At this point I'm leaning more towards, well, we tried social media, streaming, online gaming and funny meme site and our monke…

I'm more addicted to Hacker News than anything else.

I make online games. Yeah, some people have problems with them, but for me it's the ultimate form of creativity and creation. I am crafting synthetic social experiences limited only by the power of my mind's creative and technical abilities.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Shout out for "Apple Configurator" for Mac, if a dumb phone appeals to you but can't because there are some apps you really need, I hardly ever see it mentioned in articles like this. It's designed for IT departments to configure all their company phones, but you can also use it to dumb down any iPhone by whitelisting a specific set of apps, it's way better than the parental controls / screen time options.

How hard/easy is it to circumvent the whitelist? Moreover, do you whitelist the whole browser?

Every time I use Safari on iOS it seems somehow kneecapped by default, so maybe whitelisting the browser is no problem.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a grain of truth to this, but it's all mired together. The medium (the phone) is the message (content). The form factor (in-pocket), connectivity (streaming content), and economic drivers (attention economy), all fundamentally bias smartphones toward the kind of poisonous content our brains can't deal with.

This is correct. If imagine if all you had was a desktop which was shut down between sessions. Just needing to walk to a different room, boot up your desktop, and sign in -- a minor ~1 minute of inconvenience would prevent much of this compulsive using. When the barriers are low enough, people cannot help themselves.

Standing desk only. No sitting and browsing. That was a huge change for me.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Someone pointed out in a similar discussion: "It's not the phone itself that they issue, it's the content." Yesterday there was a debate locally about screen time, both for adults and children, and how much is to much. It's always about the phone, the iPad or the TV, never about the content. At this point I'm leaning more towards, well, we tried social media, streaming, online gaming and funny meme site and our monke…

What do you mean, I can definitely doom scroll my banking app!

I agree. I cut out YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, now I just scroll hacker News and CNN.

CNN is such garbage.

Sometimes I browse my own photo albums.

Re: Turning away from smartphones: 'We need to go places and touch things'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've never picked up your phone to do one thing and half an hour later found yourself trawling through Instagram, having forgotten what you originally meant to do with your "just a tool", you are in a tiny minority of incredibly focused people. The majority of us, through no fault of our own, find these 'tools' regularly sucking us into a vortex of distractions and time-wasting. The struggle against cheap dopami…

> you are in a tiny minority of incredibly focused people. oh please... > The majority of us, through no fault of our own it is called "personal accountability", I know its very hated on in the modern world, but please... > The struggle against cheap dopamine hits is real Yeah.. try go back 500 years or 1000 years and explain your struggles to the people there.

> it is called "personal accountability", I know its very hated on in the modern world, but please...

It's hated because people almost exclusively invoke it as a thought-terminating cliche instead of actually discussing the practicalities of cultivating and relying on it at scale.

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