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Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

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Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#21
Is there any evidence for this? About 15 seconds of looking around suggests it's probably not true.

- 2007: Street View released

- 2007: DARPA Urban Challenge

- After 2007: Google hires several of the teams that won. This is where they got most of their expertise in self driving cars.

- Also note that the Urban Challenge winners didn't rely on "lots of data" but instead "lots of sensors"

Not really a fan of this type of random speculation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Street_View

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#22

Decent thought experiment but the whole "wolf in sheep's clothing" part is just link bait title or a really bad analogy. A more appropriate analogy would be "a head fake" as the late Randy Pausch so aptly put it.

Probably just a really bad analogy. They also used "vicious cycle of driving and learning" where "virtuous circle" (which I take to mean a system with positive feedback) would be more appropriate.

Probably linkbait.

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#23

Decent thought experiment but the whole "wolf in sheep's clothing" part is just link bait title or a really bad analogy. A more appropriate analogy would be "a head fake" as the late Randy Pausch so aptly put it.

Probably just a really bad analogy. They also used "vicious cycle of driving and learning" where "virtuous circle" (which I take to mean a system with positive feedback) would be more appropriate.

It's even not a virtous circle. You can't improve your supervised ML algo by feeding in what the algo predicted.

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#25

Lots of data won't do any good with imperfect algorithms. Just look at all the nonsense generated by Google Translate. It doesn't even know grammar.

Actually, Google Translate was an enormous leap forward in machine translation quality. It won a number of awards for its astonishingly good performance. And its design premise is that you can use really simple algorithms if you have crazy amounts of training data (a then controversial approach called 'statistical machine translation' - as opposed to rule/grammar based).

Look at Norvig (Google's head of research, and AI-demigod) at al's paper "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data."

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

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post #25

Lots of data won't do any good with imperfect algorithms. Just look at all the nonsense generated by Google Translate. It doesn't even know grammar.

Actually, Google Translate was an enormous leap forward in machine translation quality. It won a number of awards for its astonishingly good performance. And its design premise is that you can use really simple algorithms if you have crazy amounts of training data (a then controversial approach called 'statistical machine translation' - as opposed to rule/grammar based). Look at Norvig (Google's head of research, and…

It might have been an enormous leap, and it might have won a lot of awards.

But it still produces a great deal of nonsense.

My only semi-informed opinion (hunch) is that the Google/Norvig brand of statistical approach to AI is a 80% solution to a lot of things, but that last 20% is going to be killer to get.

Right now this approach to AI is a great boost for humans, who can finish off that last 20% themselves, but I have doubts about the autonomous versions...

I am curious to see what happens with the self-driving car in real world use. And if translate ever gets much better than it is today. Or if, for that matter, Google search gets much better than it is today.

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#28
One big hole in the logic:

Street view cars all work during the daytime. There is no nighttime street imagery on streetview, and anecdotally, I've never seen a streetview car at night.

Having self-driving cars during daylight hours only is still an ambitious goal, though.

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#29
If you have ever used street view to catch a glimpse of your destination at an unknown address or to look for key landmarks at important intersections, you'll notice right away that the Street View data is the last thing you would want powering an autonomous car. Many of the mapped roads only show the view from one lane, and if the road is more than one lane wide, you're missing data on the positions of the other lane(s). I can't count the number of times the view I wanted was on the other side of a median or divider, with no data for that side. Following a pre-mapped course on a multi-lane road using only Street View data would be a nightmare. Reminds me of the stories of people pulling U-turns in the middle of a freeway because their GPS told them to.

Re: Google Street View: A wolf in sheep’s clothing

#30

If you have ever used street view to catch a glimpse of your destination at an unknown address or to look for key landmarks at important intersections, you'll notice right away that the Street View data is the last thing you would want powering an autonomous car. Many of the mapped roads only show the view from one lane, and if the road is more than one lane wide, you're missing data on the positions of the other lan…

I think you misunderstood the point of machine learning. The cars don't drive by memorization/knowledge of each street but rather the knowledge of what has been done in similar situations thousands of times before.
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