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Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by paulcole »

noobermin wrote: post #7

This article feels like stating an opinion. I suppose the autopilot analogy is at the heart of their argument but the argument as of now feels a bit too flat. There are definitely some jobs that technology completely displaced, and there are some that merely made something more accessible. For example, grinding grain with the advent of modern milling equipment vs microwaves. Milling machines make hand driven milling…

> This article feels like stating an opinion

You nailed it. This kind of thing should be saved for a personal blog and not printed in a scientific journal.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by candiddevmike »

drewcoo wrote: post #4
v3ss0n wrote: post #2

Not for RAG and Automation applications But for Fixing Hallucinated code that written by Non Software Engineers.

> But for Fixing Hallucinated code that written by Non Software Engineers. And for testing to find those inconsistencies.

This sounds like hell, tbh.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by submeta »

I for one used to hire people outside Germany for smaller projects, doing data analysis, writing interfaces, migrating data. With all the new tools I don't do this anymore. I can come up with solutions that are good enough, and I don't have the overhead with back and forth emailing, writing requirements, getting a result, giving feedback, etc. This is me, n=1.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by naasking »

candiddevmike wrote: post #12
drewcoo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for Fixing Hallucinated code that written by Non Software Engineers. And for testing to find those inconsistencies.

This sounds like hell, tbh.

Sounds like basically the same hell as reviewing code of junior SWEs.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by WhiteNoiz3 »

paulcole wrote: post #11
noobermin wrote: post #7

This article feels like stating an opinion. I suppose the autopilot analogy is at the heart of their argument but the argument as of now feels a bit too flat. There are definitely some jobs that technology completely displaced, and there are some that merely made something more accessible. For example, grinding grain with the advent of modern milling equipment vs microwaves. Milling machines make hand driven milling…

> This article feels like stating an opinion You nailed it. This kind of thing should be saved for a personal blog and not printed in a scientific journal.

It literally says "my personal blog" at the top

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by WhiteNoiz3 »

noobermin wrote: post #7

This article feels like stating an opinion. I suppose the autopilot analogy is at the heart of their argument but the argument as of now feels a bit too flat. There are definitely some jobs that technology completely displaced, and there are some that merely made something more accessible. For example, grinding grain with the advent of modern milling equipment vs microwaves. Milling machines make hand driven milling…

He's not arguing that no jobs will be displaced, he's arguing that jobs will change, engineering may become more reliable, new types of software jobs may be created.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by null_investor »

kachapopopow wrote: post #10

Eh, it's only a matter of time until new nvidia clusters are in production and we start seeing what hardware designed for training massive models (roughly 100x bigger than anything we know of at least) can do. With some additional architectural changes we might start seeing some sparks of real human stupidity.

That's incorrect, it isn't that better than h100s

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by fer »

WhiteNoiz3 wrote: post #15
paulcole wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article feels like stating an opinion You nailed it. This kind of thing should be saved for a personal blog and not printed in a scientific journal.

It literally says "my personal blog" at the top

I could publish a peer-reviewed paper on how that was the joke.

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by kachapopopow »

null_investor wrote: post #17
kachapopopow wrote: post #10

Eh, it's only a matter of time until new nvidia clusters are in production and we start seeing what hardware designed for training massive models (roughly 100x bigger than anything we know of at least) can do. With some additional architectural changes we might start seeing some sparks of real human stupidity.

That's incorrect, it isn't that better than h100s

They chain a lot better and have much lower software complexity while also being able to share memory between two different nodes.

Also the latency is much lower. (Also I'm sort of mocking LLM's here)

Re: Gen AI will increase demand for software engineers

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Post by empath75 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #6

It’s weird that there’s people who seem to be “against” AI assisted programming. That’s like being against IDEs or git. It’s like writers who were brought up on typewriters being against word processors.

One way to think about ai programming is that it's another step on the continual ladder up from writing machine code to writing more in more 'human readable' programming languages. It's essentially a non-deterministic compiler from natural language to an intermediate representation like python. Even assuming it was able to near perfectly translate intent to code, that doesn't mean it will replace programmers, necessarily.

The way to think about the impact on employment is comparative advantage. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/comparativeadvantage.as... Even if AIs are better than humans at every programming task, there is still a limited amount of compute in the world and unlimited amount of potential work to do, so there will always be tasks available for humans to work on. If the cost of writing code becomes cheaper, there will be tasks to automate that aren't worth the effort to automate now, that will _become_ worth the effort to automate in the future.

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