We must thank the author for the content-free article, so each of us can freely ramble on tangents, as if we are looking at an abstract art piece. My beef is with the Dwarkesh Patel podcast. While he has some very good interviews (Carl Shulman, or even Zuckerberg) he seems to have a lot of rambling-on conversstion by very young employees of AI startups (openAI). I don't get value from those because they don't really…
Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
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Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#42It’s pretty bizarre how SV decision makers have shifted from talking about ML to LLMs to straight up Artificial Intelligence. I think one of the reasons is that LLMs are very good at what the execs do every day for a living and because of that, use as a way of assessing each other’s mental capacity: producing coherent-sounding speech (1). Now that the LLM can do what any VP has dedicated their entire life to masterin…
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#43How is this article worthy of the front page of HN? It must be simply the click-bait nature of the title as there is nothing of substance beyond that.
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think we will agree on a definition of AGI, nor should we. To me this is settled by freedom of religion being a universal human right. This is why the AGI in X years is such an interesting perspective. (And why I'm deeply concerned about my downvoters.)
Treating AGI as gods is another example, yes, though I'd forgotten that one. Same direction as ASI but moreso.
I'll just leave it at that.
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#45We must thank the author for the content-free article, so each of us can freely ramble on tangents, as if we are looking at an abstract art piece. My beef is with the Dwarkesh Patel podcast. While he has some very good interviews (Carl Shulman, or even Zuckerberg) he seems to have a lot of rambling-on conversstion by very young employees of AI startups (openAI). I don't get value from those because they don't really…
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#46It’s pretty bizarre how SV decision makers have shifted from talking about ML to LLMs to straight up Artificial Intelligence. I think one of the reasons is that LLMs are very good at what the execs do every day for a living and because of that, use as a way of assessing each other’s mental capacity: producing coherent-sounding speech (1). Now that the LLM can do what any VP has dedicated their entire life to masterin…
AFAICT, LLMs are stochastic predictors of words within a large context. If you transfer (pun intended) that behavior over to humans, you would call a person like that a bullshitter, or at best a salesguy :-) A bullshitter as a person or team member is useful, but not scalable in the singularity sense: you can scale its output in terms of quantity, but not quality: the stochastic parrot may move prospects through the funnel (necessarily to a higher-IQ actual salesperson) but it will not create a patent from scratch (and probably will not close a deal).
So, we're not getting AGI. Given that the stochastic approach has hit scalability limits (there's no more data to feed), we need a new approach. Are there approaches that can bring AGI outside of LLMs? (AlphaZero?) Or is our industry just a bunch of stochastic parrots that complete every sentence with "eventually we'll have AGI and everything will be either great or destroyed" (which is exactly what an LLM would say at this point)?
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't he say right at the start that basically nobody is pricing this stuff in right? Becoming an investor makes a ton of sense if you earnestly believe that.
My point is that it is meaningless to make a lot of money for his scenario
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#48We must thank the author for the content-free article, so each of us can freely ramble on tangents, as if we are looking at an abstract art piece. My beef is with the Dwarkesh Patel podcast. While he has some very good interviews (Carl Shulman, or even Zuckerberg) he seems to have a lot of rambling-on conversstion by very young employees of AI startups (openAI). I don't get value from those because they don't really…
Aschenbrenner et al are clearly smart, but they have no real world experience to base their (entirely biased) predictions on. It's all very on-brand for the EA and EA-adjacent folks, who spend way too much time on the internet and not enough time out in the real world.
Re: Is Aschenbrenner's 165 page paper on AI the naivety of a 25 year old?
#49How is this article worthy of the front page of HN? It must be simply the click-bait nature of the title as there is nothing of substance beyond that.