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I haven't used it yet, but I've heard really good things about Vapor as far as server side Swift goes... https://vapor.codes
Thanks. What is a "protocol server?"
Swift 6 is amazing - I say this as a big Rust person. It seems like Swift is now its own entity outside the Apple bubble and has a few very interesting features: - An "embedded" mode that turns off reflection for kilobyte-sized binaries - An upcoming WASM target - An LSP for VSCode - Native C++ interop - Typed "throws" - Static linking on linux and the linux sdk - Porting a number of "core foundation" / foundation pr…
Given there is native C++ interop, is exporting a C ABI still a seemingly experimental/niche feature? Same question with interop between C and Swift. Recently went with using Kotlin Native over Swift on macOS for this reason, the C ABI export and C interop were painless.
C should already be pretty easy, though I haven’t really used it myself. I only use the Objective-C stuff.
I know they’ve been working on C++ but don’t have any experience to comment. Someone else had a nice comment listing resources on that.
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How’s the compilation speed?If it’s going to replace Go, that’s gotta be sub second for a medium sized project on my clunky old laptop.
Why, would you care if it's a full second or even 5 seconds? Go hyped their compilation speed a lot in its early years, but unless it's C++ templates level slugginess it's not like it's that big of deal.
Swift tooling has some really! Sharp! Edges!!! If you need something quick and easier than rust or have some reason to want to take your swift code and run it elsewhere I guess this is good but I don't see why you'd use it besides that.
Swift 6 is amazing - I say this as a big Rust person. It seems like Swift is now its own entity outside the Apple bubble and has a few very interesting features: - An "embedded" mode that turns off reflection for kilobyte-sized binaries - An upcoming WASM target - An LSP for VSCode - Native C++ interop - Typed "throws" - Static linking on linux and the linux sdk - Porting a number of "core foundation" / foundation pr…
> - No garbage collector ARC is a GC, and a slower one than most traditional tracing GC's.
They’re both forms automatic memory management, but they work in very different ways.
Swift could've easily replaced python. but the language got complex and is now a baby C++.
And what’s the complexity now that even remotely approaches c++?
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I had my Python and pip installed from distribution packages. One day I needed to build something from source, but it needed Meson... Ok installed Meson also from my distro packages! But no, the project required a newer Meson version. Ok let's install Meson with pip! But no, it turns out pip packages themselves can require a minimum pip version !! Go figure. So I couldn't build that program without first pip-installi…
Were you using a virtualenv? Or were you pip installing into your distro / system python, like a true savage?
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Some distros do actually break out rust dependencies into separate packages (e.g. Guix does this). It's just that a lot of rust software isn't distributed primarily by distros.
Fedora and Debian do this too. That's why it sometimes takes longer for a project to be packaged - you literally have to recursively package all of the dependencies first.
IIRC Arch does as well (or at least tries to).
This static SDK is just one example of Swift's new support for user-definable platforms, timed to amplify support for embedded and WASM. Along with the move to a non-Apple GitHub organisation, it represents real progress in extending swift to other platforms. It would be interesting to see if this is used for the AI OS that they are inviting researchers to validate for security purposes.
Wow, I had no idea people were using Swift for Embedded: https://github.com/apple/swift-embedded-examples
Swift tooling has some really! Sharp! Edges!!! If you need something quick and easier than rust or have some reason to want to take your swift code and run it elsewhere I guess this is good but I don't see why you'd use it besides that.
Sure Swift itself has some sharp edges, but not any more (or worse) than many other popular languages.