Swift Static Linux SDK

Post by jkelleyrtp » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 9:33 PM UTC

cube2222 wrote: post #37

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #10

Swift 6 is amazing - I say this as a big Rust person. It seems like Swift is now its own entity outside the Apple bubble and has a few very interesting features: - An "embedded" mode that turns off reflection for kilobyte-sized binaries - An upcoming WASM target - An LSP for VSCode - Native C++ interop - Typed "throws" - Static linking on linux and the linux sdk - Porting a number of "core foundation" / foundation pr…

Agreed that Swift looks quite amazing. There’s some cool talks on how they’re trying to move FoundationDB to Swift and their approach. I think the main problem, and this is a really big problem, is that based on a very shallow investigation I did a couple months back, the ecosystem for server-side stuff barely exists. And in my opinion, the ecosystem is one of the deciding factors when picking a language.

Post by josephg » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 9:34 PM UTC

righthand wrote: post #12

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #6

Genuine question: is there any reason to use Swift without iOS/SwiftUI? (Outside of devs who are primarily Swift developers that want to use something they already know for a small project or similar.)

Not really no, there are far better languages with better cross platform support.

Post by beanjuiceII » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 9:35 PM UTC

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #32

square_usual wrote: post #25

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Swift and Go are on polar ends of the language complexity spectrum. Someone who enjoys Go for what it is, i.e. a dead simple, straightforward language, would not see Swift as being "better".

Some people want generics and ADTs in Go. If you're using go because it's 1) fast 2) expressive 3) concurrent 4) compiles natively then I think Swift is the better of the two. If you just want a very simple language, then sure, Go is there. But I don't think that's necessarily what makes Go, Go.

Post by akira2501 » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

palata wrote: post #27

e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #3

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It's just classic dependency issues. I'm not familiar with swift specifics, but probably a combination of ABI instability and just plain version incompatibility from one distro to the next with your target program. My opinion is the opposite: I think the old paradigm of distros managing a giant set of system libraries is a bad one, and is how we ended up in the land of docker. Go and Rust made the right decisions her…

As you say, a typical Rust program can easily depend on hundreds of crates that nobody really checks. That's a security issue. The whole point of a distro is that someone distributes them, so you can choose which distro you want to trust. What I don't like about Rust and Go is that they enforce their preference. I am fine if you want to link everything statically. I just don't want you to force me.

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 11, 2024, 9:38 PM UTC

jkelleyrtp wrote: post #10

Swift 6 is amazing - I say this as a big Rust person. It seems like Swift is now its own entity outside the Apple bubble and has a few very interesting features: - An "embedded" mode that turns off reflection for kilobyte-sized binaries - An upcoming WASM target - An LSP for VSCode - Native C++ interop - Typed "throws" - Static linking on linux and the linux sdk - Porting a number of "core foundation" / foundation pr…