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Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by codr7 »

lajosbacs wrote: post #143
bantunes wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My personal opinion is that he 1) hates the US 2) hates eastern Europe because it defeated socialism. He doesn't hate the US. He hates that the US has been captured by warmongering elites and hates its poor. And he'd probably school you on the USSR's state authoritarian capitalism not being a good example of socialism.

What would then be a good example of socialism?

Given that it's just another -ism, brain farted by some random french aristocrat in the eighteenhundreds-something if I remember correctly, and like all other -isms designed to control the population and steal the profit. All of them?

The core ideas are awesome, but then the same could be said of Democracy; any idea force fed from the top is going to have the same kind of shit sandwich quality, the rainbow madness is just the latest example.

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by nemothekid »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #266
sitkack wrote: post #71

I love Noam Chomsky so much. To me he is epitome of what a rational caring intellectual should be. Number one, he strives for the truth and while can have intellectual blind spots, isn't afraid of calling them out. We had him has a guest speaker for an internal presentation at Google and of course we had some hyper-rational libertarian eastern block swe kid who was going to take him down and Noam was super respectful…

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1. An immensely powerful career politician who had engineered several coups across Asia that led to the needless destruction of untold lives

2. A libleft college professor who was not taken seriously by anyone with any modicum of power.

Who's number 3? A coughing baby?

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by darby_nine »

credit_guy wrote: post #193
sitkack wrote: post #71

I love Noam Chomsky so much. To me he is epitome of what a rational caring intellectual should be. Number one, he strives for the truth and while can have intellectual blind spots, isn't afraid of calling them out. We had him has a guest speaker for an internal presentation at Google and of course we had some hyper-rational libertarian eastern block swe kid who was going to take him down and Noam was super respectful…

> I love Noam Chomsky so much. I don't. There are some things out there that are up for debate. But not Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. Edit: To be sure, I wish him full recovery and many more happy years. https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

"Taking russia's side" seems like a wild mischaracterization of the situation.

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by crazygringo »

slantedview wrote: post #263
credit_guy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love Noam Chomsky so much. I don't. There are some things out there that are up for debate. But not Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. Edit: To be sure, I wish him full recovery and many more happy years. https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

> Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. This is a mischaracterization. He explained Russia's stated motivation for invading Ukraine, that it felt threatened by NATO's continual eastward encroachment and breaking of promises not to do so. That's different than endorsing the invasion, which he did not.

The problem is that's a false narrative.

There were never any promises, and Putin barely even cared that it resulted in Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

Because Russia's stated motivation for invading Ukraine was never Putin's actual reason, which is basically an emotional desire for historical greatness by reclaiming Russia's lost empire, combined with war always being an excellent mechanism for staying in power and distracting from domestic problems.

So it's sad to see anyone falling for Putin's lies so easily. (See also Mearshimer.)

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by lawlessone »

collyw wrote: post #212
sitkack wrote: post #71

I love Noam Chomsky so much. To me he is epitome of what a rational caring intellectual should be. Number one, he strives for the truth and while can have intellectual blind spots, isn't afraid of calling them out. We had him has a guest speaker for an internal presentation at Google and of course we had some hyper-rational libertarian eastern block swe kid who was going to take him down and Noam was super respectful…

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The unvaccinated exclude themselves from society.

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by DSingularity »

dotancohen wrote: post #104
vasco wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how is it humble? He is just saying he didn't hobnob with known intellectuals - isn't that just a statement of fact?

Chomsky has very controversial opinions on some subjects and I suspect that precludes him being invited to many parties.

Probably precludes him from accepting the invitations.

You cant be anti-imperialist and accept a dinner invitation where you will inevitably be forced to smile at and rub elbows with the same men you critique as war-criminals. The man is principled.

I hope he recovers. He would be sorely missed.

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by bobvanluijt »

sitkack wrote: post #71

I love Noam Chomsky so much. To me he is epitome of what a rational caring intellectual should be. Number one, he strives for the truth and while can have intellectual blind spots, isn't afraid of calling them out. We had him has a guest speaker for an internal presentation at Google and of course we had some hyper-rational libertarian eastern block swe kid who was going to take him down and Noam was super respectful…

> I love Noam Chomsky so much

+1

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Post by [deleted] »

slantedview wrote: post #263
credit_guy wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love Noam Chomsky so much. I don't. There are some things out there that are up for debate. But not Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. Edit: To be sure, I wish him full recovery and many more happy years. https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

> Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. This is a mischaracterization. He explained Russia's stated motivation for invading Ukraine, that it felt threatened by NATO's continual eastward encroachment and breaking of promises not to do so. That's different than endorsing the invasion, which he did not.

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Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by objektif »

credit_guy wrote: post #193
sitkack wrote: post #71

I love Noam Chomsky so much. To me he is epitome of what a rational caring intellectual should be. Number one, he strives for the truth and while can have intellectual blind spots, isn't afraid of calling them out. We had him has a guest speaker for an internal presentation at Google and of course we had some hyper-rational libertarian eastern block swe kid who was going to take him down and Noam was super respectful…

> I love Noam Chomsky so much. I don't. There are some things out there that are up for debate. But not Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. Edit: To be sure, I wish him full recovery and many more happy years. https://www.e-flux.com/notes/470005/open-letter-to-noam-chom...

Rather he chose to understand the point of view from their side. It is extremely difficult to do so and only a few public facing individuals is able to do ( Jeffrey Sachs etc. )

Re: Noam Chomsky 'no longer able to talk' after 'medical event'

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Post by EthanHeilman »

RIMR wrote: post #265
slantedview wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chomsky, for some weird reason, chose to take Russia's side. This is a mischaracterization. He explained Russia's stated motivation for invading Ukraine, that it felt threatened by NATO's continual eastward encroachment and breaking of promises not to do so. That's different than endorsing the invasion, which he did not.

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If you repeat false claims used to justify a war of conquest, you can't complain if people see you as aligning yourself with support of that war.

I wish Chomsky a speedy recovery, but he has had a number bad political takes over the years.

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