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Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by codewiz »

kcb wrote: post #59
3abiton wrote: post #40

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I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

> now gaming is even better on Linux than windows. That's an exaggeration. There are definitely games where you might consider working better in Proton but for the most part Windows is still the far more seamless option. On Proton, ive still hit things like, really bad frametimes, game patches that break things for a bit, can't get VRR to work ever, and the lack of anti cheat support in multiplayer games.

I agree that there are still a few issues, except VRR works just fine on my Wayland session with an amdgpu card. HDR, on the other hand...

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by walterbell »

ahartmetz wrote: post #55
walterbell wrote: post #11

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HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40350408 https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/qualcomm-goes-wh... > Qualcomm has most of the critical functions working inside.. Linux 6.9.. critical functions include UEFI-based boot support along with all the standard bootloaders like Grub and system-d.. Functions that are being worked on for future iterations of Linux include additions to battery support,…

It says explicitly "for Windows". Is it locked to MS signed operating systems (which do not include Linux for ARM)?

Qualcomm is funding Linaro for upstream Linux support, while building desktop processors and aiming for 50% of the PC market in 5 years. A dev kit that is locked to a single vendor would not encourage adoption. With Apple's refusal to let customers run VMs on iPads, ex-Apple Nuvia/Oryon/Qualcomm has a window of opportunity to provide an open, standardized platform for Arm PCs.

QC dev kit is one target device tree, but PC OEM devices will have hardware beyond the Oryon SoC, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40431467

We need to wait for shipping device to confirm if EL2 will be available to Linux, https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=my123

  The system firmware will ship with 3 boot modes selectable via the setup interface:
  
  - Windows (this one has the Windows tcblauncher escalated to EL2 through Secure Launch)
  - Linux (this one stays at EL1)
  - Linux w/ KVM (which jumps to EL2 before kernel handover)

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by dvngnt_ »

3abiton wrote: post #40
cjk2 wrote: post #36

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Well I'm not sure they are giving Apple a run for their money. They haven't delivered anything in quantity yet, the benchmarks and reliability are unknown and the big problem as always is software and they're in bed with Microsoft who are running a shit show on windows 11. I'd like this to work out. Objectively I'd prefer to use Windows than MacOS (there I said it!) but the hassle is not worth it any more to take on…

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

not for online games with anti cheat. game trainers also don't work

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

TobTobXX wrote: post #50
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #35

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Absolutely no argument for people who can/will tinker and want a more extreme approximation of a beige box DIY PC in a laptop form-factor. I'm saying for the wider non-tinker market there's an opportunity for a better way for people who want what sort-of what Apple was under SJ but more like old-school Japanese products that are absolutely better without optimizing for money extraction and are instead optimizing for…

Don't need to be a tinkerer for a Framework Laptop. You can order it prebuilt with Windows 10. It does cost a fair bit more compared to the unmaintainable Laptops though. But so do Apple products.

Costing a lot reduces demand. Framework isn't at all what I'm talking about, so you can stop trying to sell me on it. ;)

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

nebula8804 wrote: post #58
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #29

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If there were an almost FOSS personal electronics company that made quality, durable, and repairable devices with clean UX, usability, and long term OS-app compatibility, these would have a wider audience than simply infinitely-upgradeable laptops or laptops that are designed to be vintaged every 7 years. Call me a socialist, but designed to break just after the warranty and planned obsolescence are scourges resultin…

>Call me a socialist, but designed to break just after the warranty and planned obsolescence are scourges resulting in higher profits, but suck for the customer, lose goodwill, and are fundamentally uncool for what they do to the planet. Do most computers "break" just after the warranty or people just desire something newer or faster because of the shifting landscape of software and the web? >It is more ethical and r…

Have you bought a (Samsung) refrigerator lately?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by nebula8804 »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #65
nebula8804 wrote: post #58

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>Call me a socialist, but designed to break just after the warranty and planned obsolescence are scourges resulting in higher profits, but suck for the customer, lose goodwill, and are fundamentally uncool for what they do to the planet. Do most computers "break" just after the warranty or people just desire something newer or faster because of the shifting landscape of software and the web? >It is more ethical and r…

Have you bought a (Samsung) refrigerator lately?

I own a Kelvinator and a Kenmore refrigerator that supposedly runs on simple electronic relays. Whats your point?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by 3abiton »

kcb wrote: post #59
3abiton wrote: post #40

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I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

> now gaming is even better on Linux than windows. That's an exaggeration. There are definitely games where you might consider working better in Proton but for the most part Windows is still the far more seamless option. On Proton, ive still hit things like, really bad frametimes, game patches that break things for a bit, can't get VRR to work ever, and the lack of anti cheat support in multiplayer games.

Might be an exaggeration but can you run pre-Windows 7 games seemlessly on windows? Maybe that's not the trend, but I was surprised how easier it was to run 1990s/2000s games on Linux, from Jackrabbit to CnC. It's the nostalgia era, but still, works better on Linux than windows.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by rldjbpin »

fair assessment about the drivers, but at application level, most developers would be at home if they manage to set up an arm laptop on linux.

at least for this niche, there should be enough native support that can show as a better alternative than windows. i'd like to believe that raspberry pi users have helped with adoption of open-source apps on arm64.

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by hulitu »

rldjbpin wrote: post #68

fair assessment about the drivers, but at application level, most developers would be at home if they manage to set up an arm laptop on linux. at least for this niche, there should be enough native support that can show as a better alternative than windows. i'd like to believe that raspberry pi users have helped with adoption of open-source apps on arm64.

> most developers would be at home if they manage to set up an arm laptop on linux.

What has an ARM laptop that an x86 laptop does not have ?

Re: Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite prototype that runs Linux emerges

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Post by antifa »

kcb wrote: post #59
3abiton wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious why you prefer Windows over MacOS? The only reason I see is Gaming, but thanks to Proton, now gaming is even better on Linux than windows.

> now gaming is even better on Linux than windows. That's an exaggeration. There are definitely games where you might consider working better in Proton but for the most part Windows is still the far more seamless option. On Proton, ive still hit things like, really bad frametimes, game patches that break things for a bit, can't get VRR to work ever, and the lack of anti cheat support in multiplayer games.

> That's an exaggeration

That's mostly only an exaggeration for games made in the last 5 years with the heavier concentrations of DRM, online-only, micro transactions.

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