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A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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I'm a huge Neal Stephenson fan. Cryptonomicon is to this day one of my all-time favorite books. Years ago now I read Anathem. It wasn't as good but it had some really interesting ideas. One such idea was how the Internet was filled with garbage by all these agents (which were implied or stated were AI, I can't recall). They would subtly change things to be wrong. Why? Essentially to sell you a solution to this that f…

> “Early in the Reticulum-thousands of years ago-it became almost useless because it was cluttered with faulty, obsolete, or downright misleading information,” Sammann said.

> “Crap, you once called it,” I reminded him.

> “Yes-a technical term. So crap filtering became important. Businesses were built around it. Some of those businesses came up with a clever plan to make more money: they poisoned the well. They began to put crap on the Reticulum deliberately, forcing people to use their products to filter that crap back out. They created syndevs whose sole purpose was to spew crap into the Reticulum. But it had to be good crap.”

> “What is good crap?” Arsibalt asked in a politely incredulous tone.

> “Well, bad crap would be an unformatted document consisting of random letters. Good crap would be a beautifully typeset, well-written document that contained a hundred correct, verifiable sentences and one that was subtly false. It’s a lot harder to generate good crap. At first they had to hire humans to churn it out. They mostly did it by taking legitimate documents and inserting errors-swapping one name for another, say. But it didn’t really take off until the military got interested.”

> “As a tactic for planting misinformation in the enemy’s reticules, you mean,” Osa said. “This I know about. You are referring to the Artificial Inanity programs of the mid-First Millennium A.R.”

> “Exactly!” Sammann said. “Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

#52
post #26
post #14

Slop seems like a good term for unwanted AI generated content. But I wonder how much this is AI and how much we've sort of curated a slop pattern even before AI: - Video game tips web pages with massive chunks of text / ads before you get to the inevitable answer of "hit A when X happens". - The horrendous mess that Quora became with technically correct in some ways but also misleading answers to historical content.…

I think you're right. Since LLMs went mainstream, I've seen a lot of my colleagues' presentations and thought "was this written by ChatGPT?" but I've come to wonder if it's just given me the frame of mind to identify low-effort slop that lacks any original insight but uses all the right sorts of words and phrases, regardless of if it was authored by a human or not.

It's both. Especially the out of context tinfoil rage response. They always existed. But now it's so common to see some totally benign article about pizza, and the top comment is "don't let them tell you not to remember in 1995 when US implanted radios in Syrian babies".

The algorithm is being trained solely for engagement. It is horrifying.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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Decades of internet use has shown me that people absolutely do not want to pay for content. The average person will choose free+ads over paying every time.

A large subset of those will choose free+ads with ad-block, so free+free. Then they will complain that the internet is full of trash content that doesn't suite them.

>Then they will complain that the internet is full of trash content that doesn't suite them.

This will happen regardless if you paid for content or not. The natural world is filled with parasites, it is an effective evolutionary strategy.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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post #14

Slop seems like a good term for unwanted AI generated content. But I wonder how much this is AI and how much we've sort of curated a slop pattern even before AI: - Video game tips web pages with massive chunks of text / ads before you get to the inevitable answer of "hit A when X happens". - The horrendous mess that Quora became with technically correct in some ways but also misleading answers to historical content.…

That's a result of natural selection forced by search engines. I think that's why I like ChatGPT so much. You can ask it very specific things and it will tell you exactly what you need. It does also output verbose answers by default, but you can control it by promoting for a short answer.

Enjoy it while you can. Once the marketing guys and monetization engineers get to it I suspect things will get a lot more annoying.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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There’s going to be a lot of garbage content out there—but isn’t there already? People have been writing junk to try to get search engine placement for 20+ years. I’m not necessarily seeing the slop problem. People should always have been skeptical of content on untrusted websites. Now, if reputable sources start trying to pump out content with AI, that’d be a problem. I suspect for those who try, they’ll quickly los…

> There’s going to be a lot of garbage content out there—but isn’t there already? People have been writing junk to try to get search engine placement for 20+ years.

Yes, but people's output is limited by their ability to type words on a keyboard. LLMs and other generative A.I. aren't bound by this limitation, and can put out significantly more.

> People should always have been skeptical of content on untrusted websites. Now, if reputable sources start trying to pump out content with AI, that’d be a problem.

How do you define untrusted websites, or reputable source? Especially when Google - which should be a trusted, reputable source - starts pumping out garbage as they did?

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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False. False. False. 1. People could forcibly seize and redistribute content already made in years 1980-2020. Even that would be better than slop. 2. People could read only those - like scientists or open source and public domain authors - either funded by the state or otherwise willing to publish their works for free at high quality without the monetization slop text. The content exists, but monetized slop hides it.…

So the other alternative is piracy and only consuming public domain information?

Those are other alternatives, yes. That and mining the slop with automated tools.

The problem with public domain stuff is that there is more than enough of it, but you cannot access public domain information because monetized slop has superseded it in the search results.

I believe that automated AI engines will eventually help individuals find non-sloppy public domain articles, or assemble them from slop directly.

But piracy is always a good option.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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Is slop new or is it just a continuation of SEO, blogspam, and “content”? I love that we have a new better word that captures the nuance, but it doesn’t feel like a new phenomena.

Our company is working with a SEO firm we pay $11k/mo for (who I want to fire).

They sent us new copy for our core marketing pages last week, and many sections simply sound non-sensical. As in it just didn't make cohesive sense, and it was clear a human being didn't write (or even review) the content.

This is the problem with new AI "slop". In the past, blogspam / SEO spam was at least reviewed and written by a human. Now, we have content getting published straight out of the mouth of text generators.

The quality of long-form content from text generators is significantly worse than even mediocre $10/hr copywriters in many cases.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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post #14

Slop seems like a good term for unwanted AI generated content. But I wonder how much this is AI and how much we've sort of curated a slop pattern even before AI: - Video game tips web pages with massive chunks of text / ads before you get to the inevitable answer of "hit A when X happens". - The horrendous mess that Quora became with technically correct in some ways but also misleading answers to historical content.…

Agree. Content was the OG slop. Buzzfeed with monkeys on typewriters. The problem is that dopamine addicts generate outsized engagement. I know a literal crack mom who spends a solid 90+ hours a week watching accident videos to keep her brain triggered. The algorithm caters to her. Send promotional emails daily or more, constant notifications, recommend the same few videos over and over. Gotta get in there before she…

Hmm. An AI trained to maximize dopamine could be a very bad thing. (It won't be stated that way. It will be trained to "maximize engagement", but it amounts to the same thing.)

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

#59
post #14

Slop seems like a good term for unwanted AI generated content. But I wonder how much this is AI and how much we've sort of curated a slop pattern even before AI: - Video game tips web pages with massive chunks of text / ads before you get to the inevitable answer of "hit A when X happens". - The horrendous mess that Quora became with technically correct in some ways but also misleading answers to historical content.…

> - The horrendous mess that Quora became with technically correct in some ways but also misleading answers to historical content.

What kills me is I have to hunt for the answer in Quora now. I just treat quora like I do pinterest, just back out and never return.

Re: A new term, ‘slop’, has emerged to describe dubious A.I.-generated material

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Agree. Content was the OG slop. Buzzfeed with monkeys on typewriters. The problem is that dopamine addicts generate outsized engagement. I know a literal crack mom who spends a solid 90+ hours a week watching accident videos to keep her brain triggered. The algorithm caters to her. Send promotional emails daily or more, constant notifications, recommend the same few videos over and over. Gotta get in there before she…

Hmm. An AI trained to maximize dopamine could be a very bad thing. (It won't be stated that way. It will be trained to "maximize engagement", but it amounts to the same thing.)

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