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Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Some good comments on this from cryptographer Matt Green here: https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1800291897245835616?t=C... (I wonder if Matt realizes nobody can read his tweets without a X account? Use BlueSky or Masto man) Edit: here's his thread combined https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800291897245835616.html?...

Beyond all the hardware complexity, another attack vector is the network infrastructure.

That is covered in the article.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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I mean it was famously tested in 2015 after the San Bernardino attack. Apple didn’t back down [1] and later sued the company who sold the zero-day to the govt to unlock the phone [2]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/14/azimuth...

Also famously tested (and failed) much more recently. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Apple shills are the worst.

That's an ordinary subpoena and that data is not being specially collected and not e2ee encrypted. Has nothing to do with the guarantee in this article.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Threads also is popular. Probably the mainstream Twitter alternative at this point?

Threads is far from mainstream and just filled with spam and OnlyFans spammers at this point.

By every metric Threads is mainstream:

a) Top 10 App Store charts in every country.

b) Heavily promoted through Facebook and Instagram.

c) DAUs are higher than X.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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The only way to trust this is them selling "cloud compute" servers that folks can deploy and monitor in their own infrastructure. Nothing else can be guaranteed to not include malicious code to exfiltrate the data. Or better yet, make the APIs public and pluggable so that one can choose an off-device AI processor themselves if one is needed.

Your own infrastructure is definitely less secure than this or even, say, Google. You do not have the capability and teams of SREs to detect intrusions, and an attacker would know that your server processes your data.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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The thing with cloud and with anything related to it, anything that connects to the internet somehow... is that, unless it's open source and the servers decentralized, you are always trusting SOMEONE. Sure, Apple might make their best to ensure nobody – but them – have access to your data... but Apple controls all the end points. It controls the updates your iPhone receives, it controls the servers where this happens…

I don’t think that’s completely fair. It basically puts Apple in the same bucket as Google or OpenAI. Google obviously tracks everything you do for ads, recommendations, AI, you name it. They don’t even hide it, it’s a core part of their business model. Apple, on the other hand, has made a pretty serious effort to ensure that no employee can access your data on these AI systems. That’s hugely different! They’re going…

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Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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Some good comments on this from cryptographer Matt Green here: https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1800291897245835616?t=C... (I wonder if Matt realizes nobody can read his tweets without a X account? Use BlueSky or Masto man) Edit: here's his thread combined https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800291897245835616.html?...

Thanks for the link. > As best I can tell, Apple does not have explicit plans to announce when your data is going off-device for to Private Compute. You won't opt into this, you won't necessarily even be told it's happening. It will just happen. Magically. Presumably it will be possible to opt out of AI features entirely, i.e. both on-device and off-device? Why would a device vendor not have an option for on-device A…

I think the main reason might be the on-device AI is fairly limited features wise. For Apple to actually offer something useful they would need to switch between device/server constantly and they don't want to limit the product by allowing users to disable going to a server.

With OpenAI calls is different because the privacy point is stronger

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Some share your sentiment. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/11/02/360479744...

Is this phrase worth an entire long form blog post from NPR?

Honestly, why not? I love reading about etymologies and I know that many people here do as well.

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Without being logged into X, you can only see the first post in a thread.

Not even that anymore, all links show is "Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot." Impossible to see any content.

That's likely due to tracking prevention or protection by your browser because X really, really wants to track you. If you disable the tracking protection and related settings, you may be able to see the single tweet.

Re: Private Cloud Compute: A new frontier for AI privacy in the cloud

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The thing with cloud and with anything related to it, anything that connects to the internet somehow... is that, unless it's open source and the servers decentralized, you are always trusting SOMEONE. Sure, Apple might make their best to ensure nobody – but them – have access to your data... but Apple controls all the end points. It controls the updates your iPhone receives, it controls the servers where this happens…

If one has to use tech one has to trust someone. Apple has focused on the individual using computers since inception. They have maintained a consistent message and have a good track record.

I will trust them because the alternatives I see are scattered and unfocused.

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