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Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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As someone who lives in a small Bay Area suburb that you wouldn't expect a strong sense of community to arise in, it's been fascinating and a little heartwarming watching the village form around my kids. My kindergartner is now at the point where he can walk into a random town event and find somebody he already knows. He's had 3 consecutive weekends of birthday parties, with largely the same cast of characters at the…

Sounds like your suburb is designed better compared to most subs in the us

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #29

The design of the physical environment is in no small part responsible for this. Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk and bike to school, to friends places and just in general play and exist outside unattended to a much higher degree than in the US. Because in the US they would be roadkill, and even if they somehow survived outside of a car, car centric design means there's now…

Europe is getting worse too. Big SUV's and trucks, fast traffic, and cars illegally parked all over the footpaths (and I'm talking about the Netherlands here, it's worse elsewhere). I mean it's better here than where I grew up (California) but I still wouldn't call it "good".

> cars illegally parked all over the footpaths

This is where opportunistic roving tow trucks start to sound like a good idea.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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> Does families having fewer number of children contribute to this? It could have decades ago, when kids still had places to go. Not now. I had 5 who spent their childhood persistently locked away in one adult construct or another - because there was/is no local community. Within their reach were roads and private property and that's about it. They were in the same boat as most other US kids.

> most other US kids Doubt that. The majority of kids in the US are living in suburbs or cities, both places with lots of community. What you're describing sounds distinctly rural.

Some cities-yes, but vast majority of us suburbs are not designed to promote community, rather the opposite and many cities were buldozed so much that a community existing there is rather an exception

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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As someone who lives in a small Bay Area suburb that you wouldn't expect a strong sense of community to arise in, it's been fascinating and a little heartwarming watching the village form around my kids. My kindergartner is now at the point where he can walk into a random town event and find somebody he already knows. He's had 3 consecutive weekends of birthday parties, with largely the same cast of characters at the…

Unfortunately a lot of fraternal societies have disbanded and a lot of community organizing falls to women. Men and women community organize differently and traditionally men have had great luck in formal settings. For me, in our church (I know you're not religious), I lead our men's group (chapter of a larger organization), and there's a bunch of men who are the last people you'd expect to organize community but they're all doing it happily. But we're very hierarchical (even if jokingly so) and very formal (meetings, Roberts rules, elected positions, ceremonies). It's goofy, but I fundamentally believe men do well in this.

Unfortunately, I think it would be hard to form a men's group these days especially for secular people. But I encourage you anyway because otherwise it puts all the pressure on the women.

I have had several moms express gratitude to my guys for doing the work we do in the community because we also do things that the women would just never organize themselves. Which is fine... Everyone should play to their strengths.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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Are liberal and secular teenagers more willing/open to admit problems or seek help for unusual troublesome matters set them apart form others than religious peers perhaps? Human culture of the past several centuries are full of art and documents showing the repressive nature of religious or other prescribed expectation oriented groups. There are countless movements to counteract with the oppressive side of prescribed…

That's painting a very strange brush against religious folks, which does not at all match my observations (religious people can very easily talk about all sorts of things with other religious people (at least, those of vaguely similar religiosities), whereas conversations where at least one party is secular flicker and stagnate due to lack of known shared background)

> religious people can very easily talk about all sorts of things

Sure, buddy.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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There’s also still the insane 25% tariff on light trucks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax Which makes importing smaller trucks like you see in other countries cost prohibitive

Only the most frugal and businesses are thinking about that tariff. Ads for these excessively large "utility" vehicles (which have sacrificed bed size for cabin comfort and are often not 4WD) are very indicative. They don't talk about price (and when they do, it's focused on credit terms rather than the capital cost). They talk about power, lifestyle, and giving the perception of masculinity. That is why people buy t…

That's part of it, but not all: it depends on the buyer. People buying big trucks as a fashion statement are definitely doing it for this reason, but there's people who genuinely need trucks, and they're all bitching and complaining about 1) trucks costing $50k-100k because they're basically luxury vehicles and they don't make cheap, utilitarian versions any more, and also because all those fashion-statement buyers have driven up demand, and 2) that there aren't any small pickups available now, since many of them need a truck, but not a big truck. Some people have even taken to importing 25+ year old Japanese "kei" trucks (very very small utility trucks used in Japan) as "historic" vehicles and using those, but it seems some states are now trying to clamp down on this.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #5

Does families having fewer number of children contribute to this? The most local community would be children that live under the same roof.

Yes. We live in a lovely neighborhood. My daughter knows and talks to all our neighbors. She plays outside and can even walk to some neighbors kids houses and we increasingly let her.

However talking to other parents about what it was like when their kids were growing up... The streets were filled with kids. Now we have couples who don't have any...

I hope they do.

Luckily our neighbors are nice and have a kid and hopefully another.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #87
post #29

The design of the physical environment is in no small part responsible for this. Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk and bike to school, to friends places and just in general play and exist outside unattended to a much higher degree than in the US. Because in the US they would be roadkill, and even if they somehow survived outside of a car, car centric design means there's now…

>Because in the US they would be roadkill, Have you actually experienced Japanese drivers? They make American drivers look absolutely noble (and truthfully, we are) by comparison. For starters, and this applies to both individual and professional drivers: * They don't give way to emergency vehicles blaring the sirens. * They don't wait for people to finish crossing intersections. * They don't let other drivers into t…

I live in Aomori, I have been commuting every single day for the last 6 years, and I totally agree with you. There are three more points that make me mad:

- Stopping in the middle of the road whenever they feel like it. Just turn on the blinkers and boom, the road became a parking slot! And they don't care if it is a straight segment or the middle of a curve.

- Overtaking other cars on the left at an intersection. I don't know here, but in my home country that is illegal, because it is very dangerous. I have seen many near misses because of it.

- They don't turn on the lights as long as there is a tiny sliver of light in the sky. Every day I see people driving with the lights off after sunset, or during heavy rain or snow! Seriously, who drives with the lights off during a fucking blizzard with less than 10 meters of visibility?!?

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

#189
post #142

“Social scientists have shown — for as long as we have been collecting data — that conservatives have better mental health than liberals, and religious people have better mental health than their secular peers.” My gut tells me social scientists have “shown” no such thing, but am open to hearing the case.

Why does your gut tell you that? Perhaps you're using the worst examples of a side you don't like to inform your view?

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #76

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As a parent, I can tell you video games and smart phones have a lot to do with this.

I think there is some generalizing here I grew up in an Australian City in the 90's. Even back then kids weren't clamoring to play outside in the street. Or ride bikes etc (there was a clique at school who were skateboarders but not a widespread thing). I think it very much depends on the kids temperament, my experience as a kid didn't involve a lot of outdoors activities. However my parents were pretty big on making…

Yes, it does, it’s pretty common.
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