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Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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We need reforms to the method the EPA uses to calculate and enforce fuel efficiency requirements. It's the direct driver of the gigantifucation of vehicles.

People's desires are the direct driver of gigantification of vehicles. I assure you nobody buying a RAM or F150 gives two shits about EPA or fuel efficiency.

People had no choice. When they come out with a new generation of car model they stop producing the old.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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What are they calling "social capital?"

It's heresy to say that social relations are valuable for their own sake, instead we have to give it a term that suggests monetary value and potential to enter some accountants balance sheet - "social capital".

it's just not the case that all value can enter into monetary terms or be quantified or exploited, bought and sold - but the stupidity and ignorance of the age is we even have to suggest like ethics or holding values has some "value" in the sense of money for it to be "ok" in our dominant social norms that structure society - the corporation and workplaces under capitalism

It's as if it's not ok to hold values that are not monetary or capital - that is the message of our social relations in workplaces and in the culture at current - what are called "capitalist social relations"

It's heresy to say ... It's ok to have values that are not money. There are things we should value outside of some cost.

it's gotten to this point.

even "progressive" arguments for like "hey maybe kids playing together in community is ok" has to be quantified into some imagination "social capital"

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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That’s a super bonkers theory amigo. “Most people” who dispute the idea that there’s a purposeful undermining of social cohesion via permissive immigration policy are disputing it because they are willing to uproot their entire lives to switch countries?! Holy smokes.

Read what I said again, and more carefully.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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The design of the physical environment is in no small part responsible for this. Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk and bike to school, to friends places and just in general play and exist outside unattended to a much higher degree than in the US. Because in the US they would be roadkill, and even if they somehow survived outside of a car, car centric design means there's now…

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> Kids [...] face legitimate higher odds of crime or kidnapping. Because in the US they’re victims of gunshot, kidnapping, physical/sexual assault

This does not ring true at all.

Random kidnappings of children (i.e. by a stranger, not a parent, relative, or other acquaintance) are vanishingly rare in the US, to the extent that they typically make national news when they do occur. Random violence against children (again, by a stranger), even more so.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #102
post #29

The design of the physical environment is in no small part responsible for this. Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk and bike to school, to friends places and just in general play and exist outside unattended to a much higher degree than in the US. Because in the US they would be roadkill, and even if they somehow survived outside of a car, car centric design means there's now…

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Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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My particular bugbear here is the absolutely insanity of truck and SUV heights, to the point that even full-grown adults are no longer clearly visible from inside new vehicles ( https://i.imgur.com/1dHWVxn.png ).

We need reforms to the method the EPA uses to calculate and enforce fuel efficiency requirements. It's the direct driver of the gigantifucation of vehicles.

E.g. say non-CDL trucks can only have one seat in addition to the driver's seat.

Bam, SUVs are really unattractive.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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At a certain maturity, kids have developed mentally enough for cars to not be a threat to them. Criminals are a whole different problem.

Right, no teenagers or adults die by cars, for they have developed mentally enough for cars not to be a threat to them …Except the 40 000 who do die by car, every single year, in the US alone. Countless more injured and permanently disabled. Meanwhile criminals are indeed a whole different problem. (an imaginary one)

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Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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My daughter has been playing outside since she was 4 years old, unsupervised. She's 9 now. A lot of the other neighborhood kids have followed suit (I really suspect our "benign neglect" made the other parents thing "well if nothing bad happened to her our kids will be fine" and we have about 8-10 kids around the same age on the block that are constantly going to each other's houses and hanging out doing whatever it i…

9pm and you don’t know where your 9 year old is? That going too far in the other direction in my opinion. How is she doing academically? I feel like that much freedom, that early, makes it easy to pick up bad habits with the “bad” kids.

9pm is just a number; street lights are obvious and well-timed for when it's time to stop being outside.

If 6pm and no knowledge was ok, almost 9pm with streetlights still off is too.

Re: Deterioration of local community a major driver of loss of play-based childhood

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My daughter has been playing outside since she was 4 years old, unsupervised. She's 9 now. A lot of the other neighborhood kids have followed suit (I really suspect our "benign neglect" made the other parents thing "well if nothing bad happened to her our kids will be fine" and we have about 8-10 kids around the same age on the block that are constantly going to each other's houses and hanging out doing whatever it i…

9pm and you don’t know where your 9 year old is? That going too far in the other direction in my opinion. How is she doing academically? I feel like that much freedom, that early, makes it easy to pick up bad habits with the “bad” kids.

I mean this happens with my 9 year old. We have a parent group chat and just ask who knows where the crew is
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