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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Post by MR4D »

dereg wrote: post #162
MR4D wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think that? You seem to be positioning this as a Ford vs Chevy duel, when (to me at least) the comparison should be to Ford vs Exxon. Nvidia is an infrastructure company. And a darned good one. Apple is a user facing company and has outsourced infrastructure for decades (AWS & Azure being two of the well known ones).

Apple outsourced chips to IBM (PowerPC) for a long time and floundered all the while. They went into the game themselves w/ the PA Semi acquisition and now they have Apple Silicon to show for it.

But Apple is vertically integrating. Thats like Ford buying Bridgestone.

The only way it hurts Nvidia is if Apple becomes the runaway leader of the pc market. Even then, Apple hasn’t shown any intent of selling GPUs or AI processors to the likes of AWS, or Azure or Oracle, etc.

Nvidia has a much bigger threat from with Intel/AMD or the cloud providers backward integrating and then not buying Nvidia chips. Again, no signs that Apple wants to do this.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

getpost wrote: post #200

GPT4o access is a handy feature, but, what I was hoping to hear about is an improvement in Siri's language "understanding." In today's WWDC presentation, there were a few small examples of Siri improvements, such as an ability to maintain context, e.g., 'Add her flight arrival time to my calendar,' wherein Siri knows who "her" refers to. In my day-to-day experience with Siri, it's clear Siri doesn't have the kind of…

I agree, this is the biggest annoyance with voice assistants today. The good news is that, as you noted, the technology to interpret complex/unclear requests is definitely already here today with ChatGPT.

I think that Apple demoed this today where the presenter changed her mind mid-sentence during a weather query.

I'm hopeful that means they've added a LLM to interpret the intent of user requests.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

asdasdsddd wrote: post #238
getpost wrote: post #200

GPT4o access is a handy feature, but, what I was hoping to hear about is an improvement in Siri's language "understanding." In today's WWDC presentation, there were a few small examples of Siri improvements, such as an ability to maintain context, e.g., 'Add her flight arrival time to my calendar,' wherein Siri knows who "her" refers to. In my day-to-day experience with Siri, it's clear Siri doesn't have the kind of…

Siri just feels like, tokenize input => run classifier over hardcoded actions.

I don't think these actions are hardcoded with the App Intents framework. Even today you can ask Siri to run arbitrary shortcuts via custom keywords.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

okdood64 wrote: post #164
zug_zug wrote: post #54

This sounds like exactly what I wanted. There have been a number of times I've been in the car and wanting to ask Siri something it couldn't handle has been a lot e.g. "What state am I in, and how far am I to the border to the state I'm going to cross next, and can I pump my own gas on each state I'm driving through?" Though a bit of that is premised on whether it could extract information from google maps.

Carplay Siri functionality is currently neutered. A lot of times it won't answer more complex questions that would otherwise be answered without Carplay.

I haven't found this to be the case. Does Siri explicitly refuse to answer questions, or does it misunderstand you? Maybe the microphone in your car makes hearing difficult?

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Post by [deleted] »

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #31
blueelephanttea wrote: post #24

IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…

There’s a lot I don’t like about Sam Altman. There’s a lot I don’t like about OpenAI. But goddamn they absolutely leapfrogged Google and Apple and it’s completely amazing to see these trillion dollar companies play catch-up with a start-up. I want to see more of this. Big Tech has been holding back innovation for too long.

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Post by kolinko »

whimsicalism wrote: post #79
stetrain wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but are those going to run on Apple-owned hardware at all? It seems like Apple will first prioritize their models running on-device, then their models running on Apple Silicon servers, and then bail out to ChatGPT API calls specifically for Siri requests that they think can be better answered by ChatGPT. I'm sure OpenAI will need to beef up their hardware to handle these requests - even as filtered down as the…

they're going to be using nvidia (or maybe AMD if they ever catch up) to train these models anyways

not necessarily so, in terms of tflops per $ (of apple’s cost of gpus, nit consumer), and tflops per watt their apple silicon is comparable if not better

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Post by pjerem »

nullwriter wrote: post #123
processing wrote: post #74

"Siri add an alarm for an appointment for the dentist tomorrow at 10" Sets appointment for 10pm Will the Siri team be fired or are they in charge of openAI integration?

Its given that a dentist appointment is never usually at 10PM - this doesn't seem probable. LLMs are good at generalizing

And also, that would still be more useful than the current situation where Siri would just answer that it can not give you the weather forecast because there is no city named "Appointment at 10".

Or it may create an appointment at Athens.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

valine wrote: post #174
namaria wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe this scenario to be very likely because a lot of the 'magic' in current LLMs (emphasis on 'large') is derived from the size of the training datasets and amount of compute they can throw at training and inference.

Llama 3 8B captures that 'magic' fairly well and runs on a modest gaming PC. You can even run it on an iPhone 15 if you're willing to sacrifice floating point precision. Three years from now I full expect GPT4 quality models running locally on an iPhone.

Three years is more than twice the time since GPT-4 was released to now. Almost twice the time ChatGPT existed. At this rate, even if we'll end up with GPT-4 equivalents runnable on consumer hardware, the top models made available by big players via API will make local LLMs feel useless. For the time being, the incentive to use a service will continue.

It's like a graphics designer being limited to chose between local MS Paint, and Adobe Creative Cloud. Okay, so Llama 3 8B, if it's really as good as you say, graduates to local Paint.NET. Not useless per se, but still not even in the same class.

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Post by ThinkBeat »

dereg wrote: post #7
talldayo wrote: post #2

> The ChatGPT integration, powered by GPT-4o , will come to iOS, iPadOS, and macOS later this year. Jensen Huang must be having the time of his life right now. Nvidia's relationship with Apple went from pariah to prodigal son, real fast.

If we know anything about Apple, they're going after Nvidia. If anyone can pull it off, it's going to be them.

I am of course wrong frequently, but I cannot see how that would happen. If they create cpu/gpus that are faster/better than what Nvidia sells, but they only sell them as part of a Mac desktop or laptop systems it wont really compete.

For that they would have to develop servers that has a mass amount of whatever it is or sell the chips in the same manner Nvidia does today.

I dont see that future for Apple.

Microsoft / Google / or other major cloud companies would do extremely well if they could develop it and just keep it as a major win for their cloud products.

Azure is running OpenAI as far as I have heard.

Imagine if M$ made a crazy fast GPU/whatever. It would be a huge competitive advantage.

Can it happen? I dont think so.

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Post by jjulius »

zug_zug wrote: post #54

This sounds like exactly what I wanted. There have been a number of times I've been in the car and wanting to ask Siri something it couldn't handle has been a lot e.g. "What state am I in, and how far am I to the border to the state I'm going to cross next, and can I pump my own gas on each state I'm driving through?" Though a bit of that is premised on whether it could extract information from google maps.

>... and can I pump my own gas on each state I'm driving through?

Huh? Seems like an odd thing to feel the need to ask, as up until last year, the answer was always, "Only if you're driving through Oregon or New Jersey".

Now, you're only unable to pump your own in NJ.

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