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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Hippocrates »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

The AI/Cartoony person being sent as a birthday wish was super cringey, like something my boomer father would send me. I'm a fan of genmoji. That looks fun. Less a fan of generated clip art and "images for the sake of having an image here", and way, way less into this "here, I made a cornball image of you from other images of you that I have" feature. It's as lame as Animoji but as creepy as deepfakes.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by babypuncher »

SoftTalker wrote: post #288
davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

The difference is Apple and OpenAI's privacy policies.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by highwaylights »

ethbr1 wrote: post #334
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem.

I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence hammer came down fairly hard today with the intel cut-off and the iPhone 15+ requirement for the AI features. This isn't new for Apple, they've been aging perfectly usable devices out of support for years. We'll be fine for now, but patch support is only partial for devices on less-than-latest major releases so I likely need to replace a lot of stuff in the next couple of years and it would be way too expensive to do this whole thing again. I'll also really begrudge doing it, as the devices we have suit us just fine.

Some of it I can live without (most of the AI features they showed today), but for the parts that are sending off to the cloud anyway it just feels really hard to pretend it's anything other than trying to force upgrades people would be happy without. OCLP has done a good job for a couple of homework Macs, I might see about Windows licenses for those when they finally stop getting patches.

I'd feel worse for anyone that bought the Intel Mac Pro last year before it got taken off sale (although I'm not sure how many did). That's got to really feel like a kick in the teeth given the price of those things.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by tonyabracadabra »

wwalexander wrote: post #597
tonyabracadabra wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The image generation is dalle 2.5 level and feels really greasy to me, beyond that I think the overall launch is pretty good! I also congratulate rabbit r1 for their timely release months before WWDC https://heymusic.ai/music/apple-intel-fEoSb

Yeah, the image generation felt really…cheap?…tasteless? but everything else was really impressive.

I think that basically stretched the limit of what local model can achieve today, which also makes their image API almost useless for any serious generative art developers.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cyberpunk »

coolspot wrote: post #320
Tagbert wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The information provided for level two is end to end encrypted and not stored so the risk level is pretty low here.

Ent-to-end encrypted means that the other end (Apple/NSA) has access to it.

Imagine the memory on their server is encrypted with an on-processor key (something like intel SGX) -- reading OS memory, e.g dumping from linux or hardware, you can't read it unless you somehow extract the key (which are different on each chip) from the physical chip. Now, the process running using that encrypted memory generates TLS keys for you to send the data, and operates on it only inside this secure enclave.

There is no way to access it without destroying the chip, and even in this scenario it will be extremely expensive and imo unlikely, certainly impossible at scale. Some scientists may be able to do it once in a lab.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iandanforth »

I think the only way I would trust this is if they explicitly described how they would combat 5-eyes surveillance. If you're not willing to acknowledge that the most dangerous foe of privacy in the western world is the governments of the western world then why should I believe anything you have to say about your implementation?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by discordance »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

In the context of off-device processing, it's worth keeping in mind that US surveillance laws have recently expanded in their scope and reach:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/16/house-fisa-g...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by theshrike79 »

anonbanker wrote: post #434
TillE wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder if their server-side code will be open-source No, but they said it'll be available for audit by independent experts.

How do we sign up to be an independent expert? We need about 50,000 eyeballs on this at all times.

How many independent eyeballs are on Gemini's servers or OpenAI's?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by iLoveOncall »

epolanski wrote: post #393
asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

Yep.

I remember vividly the comment on Windows Recall that said if the same was done by Apple it would be applauded. Here we are.

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