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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Plus even if Apple is using their own chips for inferencing, they're still driving more demand for training, which Nvidia still has locked down pretty tight.

Apple said they’re using their own silicon for training. Edit: unless I misunderstood and they meant only inference.

They trained GPT-4o on Apple Silicon? I find that hard to believe, surely they only mean that some models were trained with Apple Silicon.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…

Actually, just in three to five years, lots of "AI boxes" and those magical sparkling icons next to input fields summoning AI would be silently removed.

LLMs are not accurate, they aren't subject matter experts that'll be maybe within 5% error margin.

People will gradually learn and discover anf the cost of keeping a model updated and running won't drastically reduce so we'll most likely see dust settling down.

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This sounds like exactly what I wanted. There have been a number of times I've been in the car and wanting to ask Siri something it couldn't handle has been a lot e.g. "What state am I in, and how far am I to the border to the state I'm going to cross next, and can I pump my own gas on each state I'm driving through?"

Though a bit of that is premised on whether it could extract information from google maps.

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Plus even if Apple is using their own chips for inferencing, they're still driving more demand for training, which Nvidia still has locked down pretty tight.

Apple said they’re using their own silicon for training. Edit: unless I misunderstood and they meant only inference.

Interesting, I thought Apple Silicon mainly excelled at inferencing. Though I suppose the economics of it are unique for Apple themselves since they can fill racks full of barebones Apple Silicon boards without having to pay their own retail markup for complete assembled systems like everyone else does.

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i would strongly take the other side of that bet

Nvidia obviously has an enormous, enormous moat but I do think this is one of the areas in which Apple may actually GAF. The rollout of Apple Intelligence is going to make them the biggest provider of "edge" inference on day one. They're not going to be able to ride on optimism in services growth forever.

Apple simply does not have the talent pool to take on either nvidia or the big LLM providers anywhere on the stack except for edge inference.

If you're saying Apple is going to 'take on nvidia' in edge inference, then I don't disagree but I would hardly even count that as taking on nvidia.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Apple said they’re using their own silicon for training. Edit: unless I misunderstood and they meant only inference.

They trained GPT-4o on Apple Silicon? I find that hard to believe, surely they only mean that some models were trained with Apple Silicon.

Not GPT-4o, their own models that power some (most?) of the “Apple Intelligence” stuff.

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I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

Now you know a few. I love the idea of being able to ask my phone for things like "the guy who emailed last week about the interview, what was his name?" without having to dig through emails trying not to lose the context in my head.

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i would strongly take the other side of that bet

Personally, I'm taking _both_ sides of that bet. I think Apple is going to make rapid and substantial advancements in on-device AI-specific hardware. I also think nVIDIA is going to continue to dominate the cloud infrastructure space for training foundational models for the foreseeable future, and serving user-facing LLM workloads for a long time as well.

edge inference? sure - but nvidia is not even a major player in that space now so i wouldn't really count that as 'taking on nvidia'.

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Didn’t Apple say they’re using their own hardware for serving some of the AI workloads? They dubbed it ‘Private Cloud Compute’. Not sure how much of a vote of confidence it is for Nvidia.

not for gpt4o workloads they aren't going to

Right, but are those going to run on Apple-owned hardware at all? It seems like Apple will first prioritize their models running on-device, then their models running on Apple Silicon servers, and then bail out to ChatGPT API calls specifically for Siri requests that they think can be better answered by ChatGPT.

I'm sure OpenAI will need to beef up their hardware to handle these requests - even as filtered down as they are - coming from all of the Apple users that will now be prompting calls to ChatGPT.

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