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Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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If we know anything about Apple, they're going after Nvidia. If anyone can pull it off, it's going to be them.

i would strongly take the other side of that bet

Nvidia obviously has an enormous, enormous moat but I do think this is one of the areas in which Apple may actually GAF. The rollout of Apple Intelligence is going to make them the biggest provider of "edge" inference on day one. They're not going to be able to ride on optimism in services growth forever.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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post #7

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If we know anything about Apple, they're going after Nvidia. If anyone can pull it off, it's going to be them.

i would strongly take the other side of that bet

Personally, I'm taking _both_ sides of that bet.

I think Apple is going to make rapid and substantial advancements in on-device AI-specific hardware. I also think nVIDIA is going to continue to dominate the cloud infrastructure space for training foundational models for the foreseeable future, and serving user-facing LLM workloads for a long time as well.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

The holders of the shares?

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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IMO this really feels like the Facebook / Twitter integration from early iOS. That only lasted a few years. Apple clearly thinks it needs a dedicated LLM service atm. But still thinks it is only supplemental as they handle a bunch of the core stuff without it. And require explicit user consent to use OpenAI. And Apple clearly views it as a partial commodity since they even said they plan to add others. Tough to bet a…

But they’ve also signalled they’ll probably support Google/Anthropic in the future

> Apple demoed other generative features beyond the OpenAI integration and said it plans to announce support for other AI models in the future.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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post #26

I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

It did help me to translate nursery rhymes for my kid from one language to another while they still rhyme and mean approximately the same thing. It sucked in gpt-3 but 4o (or whatever is the latest one) is actually really great for that.

It excels in "transfering style from one thing to another thing" basically.

However every time I asked it a factual thing that I couldn't find on Google, it was always hilariously wrong

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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Well, good luck to Apple then. Hopefully this attempt at killing Nvidia goes better than the first time they tried, or when they tried and gave-up on making OpenCL. I just don't understand how they can compete on their own merits without purpose-built silicon; the M2 Ultra doesn't shine a candle to a single GB200. Once you consider how Nvidia's offerings are networked with Mellanox and CUDA universal memory, it feels…

S&P 500 average P:E - 20 to 25 NASDAQ average P:E - 31 NVidia's P:E - 71 That's a market of 1 vendor. That's ripe for attack.

Let's check in with OpenCL and see how far it got disrupting CUDA.

You see, I want to live in a world where GPU manufacturers aren't perpetually hostile against each other. Even Nvidia would, judging by their decorum with Khronos. Unfortunately, some manufacturers would rather watch the world burn than work together for the common good. Even if a perfect CUDA replacement existed like it did with DXVK and DirectX, Apple will ignore and deny it while marketing something else to their customers. We've watched this happen for years, and it's why MacOS perennially cannot run many games or reliably support Open Source software. It is because Apple is an unreasonably fickle OEM, and their users constantly pay the price for Apple's arbitrary and unnecessary isolationism.

Apple thinks they can disrupt AI? It's going to be like watching Stalin try to disrupt Wal-Mart.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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not for gpt4o workloads they aren't going to

Plus even if Apple is using their own chips for inferencing, they're still driving more demand for training, which Nvidia still has locked down pretty tight.

Apple said they’re using their own silicon for training.

Edit: unless I misunderstood and they meant only inference.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

#48
post #26

I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

I highly agree. And everything it has generated so far has been incredibly mid. Yeah, there may be some legitimate use cases but as it usually goes everyone is overdoing it head first without really thinking enough about it beforehand.

Re: OpenAI and Apple Announce Partnership

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post #26

I still don't know a single person who wants this crap. I don't want "AI" in my web browser, I don't want it in my email client, I don't want it on my phone, I just don't want it. And it feels like everyone I speak to agrees! So who is this all for?

no one wanted an iphone until it came out either
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