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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by epolanski » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:34 PM UTC

ethbr1 wrote: post #334

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Why wouldn't Microsoft be able to?

Anyway, while I see all of your points, none of the things I've read in the news make me excited. Recapping meetings or long emails or suggesting how to write are just...not major concerns to me at least.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Tagbert » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:34 PM UTC

alberth wrote: post #238

pat2man wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps, YouTube, on the original iPhone?

But those were standalone apps. This AI capability is integrated throughout the entire OS and Apps. It's now part of the "fabric" of iOS.

Only in response to some classes of requests. They didn’t go into detail about when but they said that the local Siri LLM would evaluate the request and decide if it could be services locally, in their private cloud AI, or would need to use OpenAI. Then it would pop up a requesting asking if you want to send the request to OpenAI. It doesn’t look like that would a particularly common occurrence. Seems like it would be needed for “answerbot” type of requests where live web data is being requested.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by mrkramer » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:34 PM UTC

Is it just me or this AI rush is actually about to ruin user experience both on Apple and Microsoft devices? The extra layer of complexity for users who will now be introduced to endless AI features is bloatware in the making.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by AshamedCaptain » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:35 PM UTC

tom1337 wrote: post #251

ayakang31415 wrote: post #182

There was one part that I didn't understand about AI compute: For certain tasks, server side compute will be done as on-device chip is not powerful enough I suppose. How does this ensure privacy in verifiable manner? How do you CONFIRM that your data is not shared when cloud computing is involved with AI tasks?

Your data is being shared. But they've shown that it is being done in a way where only required data leaves the devices and there are some protections in place which try to minimize misuse of the data (the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example). The call to Apples "Private Compute Cloud" is intransparent to the user, ChatGPT calls need permission if I understood it correctly…

> the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example

This hardly increases security, and does not increase privacy at all. If anything it provides Apple with an excuse that they will throw at you when you ask "why can't I configure my iOS device to use my servers instead of yours?" , which is one of the few ways to actually increase privacy.

This type of BS should be enough to realize that all this talk of "privacy" is just for the show, but alas...

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by WheatMillington » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:35 PM UTC

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

>I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly

That's a little premature, let's try not to be so suckered by marketing.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Tagbert » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:35 PM UTC

r0m4n0 wrote: post #154

Big partnership for OpenAI. Incredible Apple decided to integrate with a third party like this directly into the OS. This feels like something Apple could have executed well by themselves. I was hoping they weren't going to outsource but I suppose the rumors while they were shopping around were true. I think this further confirms that they think these AI services are a commodity that they don't feel a need to compete…

They seem to have kept the OpenAI integration to a minimum, only using it for requests that need large scale processing or for web trivia type of requests.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by gnatolf » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:37 PM UTC

asimpletune wrote: post #162

Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

I'm just unhappy that this will mostly end up to make the moat larger and the platform lock-in more painful either way. iPhones have been going up in price, serious compute once you're deep in this will be simply extortion, as leaving the apple universe is going to be nigh impossible.

Also no competitor is going to be as good at integrating everything, as none of those have as integrated systems.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by blibble » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:37 PM UTC

burningChrome wrote: post #303

Am I only person who's reached their threshold on companies forcing and shoving AI into every layer and corner of our lives? I don't even look at this stuff any more and see the upside to any of it. AI went from, "This is kinda cool and quaint." to "You NEED this in every single aspect of your life, whether you want it or not." AI has become so pervasive and intrusive, I stopped seeing the benefits of any of this.

if I can't turn 100% of this botshit off then my iphone's going in the bin

I'll go back to a dumbphone before I feed the AI

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by curious_cat_163 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:37 PM UTC

whalee wrote: post #278

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

I agree with you about this being a bad precedent.

However, to me, the off-device bit they showed today (user consent on every request) represents a strategic hedge as a $3T company.

They are likely buying time and trying to prevent people from switching to other ecosystems while their teams catch up with the tech and find a way to do this all in the “Apple Way”.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by r0m4n0 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:37 PM UTC

avtar wrote: post #274

r0m4n0 wrote: post #154

Big partnership for OpenAI. Incredible Apple decided to integrate with a third party like this directly into the OS. This feels like something Apple could have executed well by themselves. I was hoping they weren't going to outsource but I suppose the rumors while they were shopping around were true. I think this further confirms that they think these AI services are a commodity that they don't feel a need to compete…

> This feels like something Apple could have executed well by themselves. I was hoping they weren't going to outsource Who is to say they aren't eventually going to replace the OpenAI integration with an in-house solution later down the line? Apple Maps was released in 2012, before that they relied on Google Maps.

My bet is on an trial/acquisition if it works out. I guess that could be complicated with the current ownership structure